And the hits just keep on coming

Yesterday, provincial New Democrat legislator Harry Lali told The Province's Michael Smyth that party leader Carole James couldn't take away his post as deputy caucus chair. Technically, he's right. But, just before question period, Mr. Lali resigned as deputy caucus chair - a day after being relieved of his critic responsibilities.

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It's sad that Harry Lali isn't getting the message that the Caucus has taken a position on a matter that has high impact with the voters, and expects all the MLAs to stay on board and onside. I wonder if Lali was misled by posters on Publiceye who continually describe Carole James as weak and ineffectual, and thought he could just freelance with impunity.

But Ms. James is weak as a wet noodle and this goes to prove this. Lali is outspoken, but hell, we need more outspoken MLA's. Ms. James just keep giving more and more reasons to vote Green!

"I wonder if Lali was misled by posters on Publiceye who continually describe Carole James as weak and ineffectual, and thought he could just freelance with impunity."

Budd, if Lali was taking what is on a what is best described as a gossip / news website, Lali
is in real need of remedial help.

As for Carole James, she is weak and ineffectual.
Makes a person think back to the time when the NDP
ended up with Bob Skelly as Leader.

It's Adrian Dix and Farsnworth who are really running the NDP with help from Chudnovsky.

Everyone knows that.

A report on the CBC News on line said Lali has resigned from the position of deputy chair. He is edging toward the back roow corner where independents hang out.

Grumpy and Red Dog are showing the amateur bloggers how it's done. You just keep on repeating the line. Carole James is weak. You offer absolutely zero evidence to support this description. When an event like this happens which shows she is strong and decisive, and has the clear support of most of her MLAs, Harry alone being the exception, Grumpy and Red Dog will simply insist with a straight face that there is no problem, she is still weak, because they say so.

Maybe they should tell us who else says so, since they both claim to know what goes on inside the NDP Caucus. Who is telling them she's weak? Do any of these people have names, or are they the strong, outspoken types who's greatest strength is their overpowering need to remain anonymous as they try to open up the leadership for themselves?

Good comments Budd Campbell. sort of like the sky is falling fable of so long ago. I think when a fellow like Norman Spector, not known as a NDP supporter says she has the moxy to run things I sort of figure by God, those two fellows above might be far off base. The Ipso reid Poll tells us a few things about politic who are greedy. Even the sort of right of center guy Rafe Mair talks about raises and the hours politicians spend to keep getting elected.Lari opened his mouth and went against the caucus decision. He has no reason to remain in his seat.James has been doing the correct thing in disiplining him, and Im sure if he keeps making policy he will end up in a party of one. Way back in the corner.

"When an event like this happens which shows she is strong and decisive, and has the clear support of most of her MLAs, Harry alone being the xception, Grumpy and Red Dog will simply insist ith a straight face that there is no problem, she s still weak, because they say so. "

Wanna bet, Budd? I'll think you'll see that a few DP MLA's will seriously think about taking the aise despite the 'unity' in the NDP Caucus. They'll whine and complain (as will the BC iberals, and Gordon Campbell) about how "it's about their families". Campbell has already come out with an anemic statement like that, and watch for him to repeat the line with his trademark stiff posture ad nauseum.

It's about accepting recommendations that didn't compare apples to apples, and simple greed.

You'll see. A few will most likely 'cave in' to the pension plan (not the raise) if the bill provides a seperation of the two. A few could possibly 'cave in' to the raise too.

Remember Budd, the NDP Caucus agreed not to take the recommendations for increasing salaries and benifits. All of them.

The smell of fresh new $100 bills is overpowering.

It will be interesting to see who votes for this and who doesn't.

Carole James has to be the weakest leader the NDP has had since Bob Skelly.

The NDP isn't what they should be, a good lean mean opposition machine like they were back in the good old days of Fat Dave vs. Son of Socred.

Face facts, Budd. She's down in the polls, the NDP is lower than a seat otter's tummy.

The agonizing the NDP MLA's must be going through!

Wow. Harry Lali issued a pretty strong challenge to Carole's leadership when he broke rank -- in fact he has been at odds with Carole for a long time. Yet all he got for it was relieved of his critic portfolio until July and forced out as deputy caucus chair.

He didn't even get kicked out of caucus!

If ever there were a test of Carole's strength as leader, this would be it. At best, this episode paints her as weak and ineffectual. At worst, it shows that she is rapidly losing the support of her caucus.

Carole needs to seriously think twice about staying on as leader.

A leadership fight now and immediately proceeding the next election would be disasterous to the party's fortunes. For the good of the party, Carole should avoid this coming fight and resign as leader to ensure that the next leader is firmly in place before the next election.

Given her lack of support within the caucus, it is the right thing to do.

Given the recent polling numbers, it is clear that that it is time for a change.

“Strong and Decisive” says Budd Campbell. Hmmmm….two years and Carole James still can’t make up her mind on the Port Mann expansion. This is decisive to you ? Likewise Carole James inability to decide where she stands between first nations in Delta or the ALR is yet another glaring example of being anything but decisive. How about her “decisive” flip flop on the raise issue last go around ? If she is so “decisively” against MLA’s making near what they do everywhere else why not just say so ? Why say an independent commission should be created to decide on a pay increase if you don’t believe your members deserve one in the first place ?

You can say many things about Carole James but “strong and decisive” is not in the group. Not to mention you do nothing but sell your own credibility short in the process. It would be like me suggesting the Premier looks good in plaid.

The NDP have this lovely politically correct vision that everything will be just lovely, well it ain't and Ms. James shows her utter contempt for the public. She is as weak as a wet noodle, afraid to spar against the Premier, and natters from the sidelines.

Politics is war, not a tea party and we have one of the most disastrous governments in power, run by a DUI Premier. Ms. James and company are outplayed at every instance and are afraid to take the Campbell & Co. directly!

A note Ms. James!

"Depart I say, you have sat there too long for what good you have done!, Depart, in the name of god go!"

You want an example of her weak leadership? We are talking about it right now!

Only Carole James could allow what should be a winning issue like this pay raise one morph into a discussion about caucus dissent and her leadership! Just check out the stories on this website alone! Somehow, instead of the BC Liberals taking a kicking on this issue, it's all about the rift in the NDP.

If she had wanted to show how strong they really were on this issue, day one, Lali should have been shown the door. The fact that he wasn't shows that the sentiments he holds run deeper in the NDP caucus then they want to admit. That, good people, is weak leadership.

You want an example of her weak leadership? We are talking about it right now!

Only Carole James could allow what should be a winning issue like this pay raise one morph into a discussion about caucus dissent and her leadership! Just check out the stories on this website alone

ROTFLMAO!!! NappyGuy thinks we're all stupid. He thinks he can tell us to get in touch with reality by reading political chat boards, and apparently takes Grumpy, Red Dog and ... wait for it, ... Hey Lali Lali Lali as reprensentative of the BC voting public. I wonder which of these guys are actually different people, and how many are working under the supervision of either a Liberal Ministerial Asst or an overly ambitious and quite impatient NDP MLA?

Yeah, the people here are all sock puppets, unlike yourself, Budd, eh? How many discussion forums have you been banned from now for creepy comments?
A sign of how dire things have become for Carole is that only (pseudo) people like Budd Campbell will defend her anymore.

Right. So James comes out swinging on an issue, taking one of those outspoken populist stands that her critics complain she never takes. There might have been some logic in taking a more cooperative approach, but then she would have risked looking like an ineffectual compromiser.

So then one of those critics speaks out against James' stand. All of a sudden, he's the one who's all into bipartisan consensus.

So James strips him of his critic responsibilities. And this is apparently a sign of weak leadership on James' part.

I think I'm beginning to get an idea of what would qualify as "good enough" for Carole James' critics.

It's really not about how good a job she's doing. It's that she isn't them. If she's leader, Mike Farnworth can't be, nor can Adrian Dix, Corky Evans, Harry Lali, or whoever else. If she wins the next election and becomes premier, then none of them can be premier, at least not until they succeed in convincing enough people in the party that she's doing a lousy job as premier, or until they succeed in getting her so fed up with their bullshit that she quits.

"I wonder which of these guys are actually different people, and how many are working under the supervision of either a Liberal Ministerial Asst or an overly ambitious and quite impatient NDP MLA?"

We're different people Budd, and no I am not working under the supervision of any BC Liberal Ministerial Assistant (I'd tell them to take a hike down to Ogden Point and keep going, never mind the end of the pier, just keep walkin and keep your eyes on Washington State across the water).

Just a person who has followed the NDP for years.

You wait and see Budd. I can imagine that one or two NDP MLA's will cave in and accept either the raise or the pension buyout, or both.

The smell of money (especially new $100 bills in the form of a cheque with nicer numbers on it) is overpowering.

Wait and see Budd. Cracks are starting to show in the NDP under Jame's leadership. It's just a matter of waiting for political nature to take its course.

I have to admit, a part of me does want to see Carole James step down, so that her internal critics can turn on each other. Of course, it would probably tear the party apart, so that they'd still be divided by the time of the next election and lose by a landslide, and they'd have to hold another leadership race within a couple of years. But hey, it'd be a small price to pay for getting rid of Carole James!

I have said it before and I will say it again; the longer we can keep Carole James around the better.

Kevin: the same could be said about Gordo...

I find myself in rare agreement with Kevin Larsen. After her victory in the May 2009 general election makes her the 35th Premier of British Columbia, my hope is that Carole James will stay for a good ten or more years, leading BC's New Democrats to three successive majority governments, and leaving behind the groundwork for a fourth and further wins.

Let's not be naive here Budd, those around her wont let her keep the job for that long. The nomination race hasnt started and the claws are already coming out.

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