When chickens come home to roost

Earlier this month, former provincial New Democrat government caucus communications director Brad Zubyk said there was a "lack of vision and leadership" in the party. So what does Mr. Zubyk think about Ipsos-Reid Corp.'s latest public poll showing the New Democrat support fallen four percentage points over the past three months to 32 percent support, while Liberal support has risen four percentage points to 49 percent? "I don't think there's much to say," quipped Mr. Zubyk. "The numbers speak for themselves." Global BCTV legislative bureau chief Keith Baldrey was the first to report on that poll - which surveyed 800 British Columbians between April 4-10.

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Really, come on. This has been a sinking ship for months. I mean, sure, in the last election, Carole was great. But she had a clear goal -- elect more than 2 -- and an agenda -- put together by a crack team that's no longer around her -- and some strategy -- gone with the crack team. So no suprise here ...nice woman, good mind, no political abilities of her own -- not even to choose staff. Hmm she makes Stephane Dion look good.

Either Ms. James is the greatest under-achiever since Bart Simpson or she is a Gordon Campbell "mole" working to derail the NDP from within.
Maybe Stephane Dion will follow in the footsteps of Paul Martin and recruit her as another NDP "Star Candidate" for part of the Grit's gender-correct winning team.

At some point the NDP will have to ask itself whether or not it's prepared to be held to Opposition status by the anti-highway positioning of two East End MLAs, David Chudnovsky and Shane Simpson. That isn't a decision Carole James can impose, because the NDP doesn't work that way. The party as a whole is going to have make that call.

Things are moving in the right direction, though. At the recent anti-Gateway rally in Delta, Chudnovsky was by himself on the left, surrounded by Tories like John Cummins. The local newspapers in Delta noted his presence but totally ignored his remarks. Absent were all the other NDP MLAs who actually represent that area, Guy Gentner, Harry Bains, Bruce Ralston and Jagrup Brar.

Right Direction? Bud, I guess you think the Leafs are still going to win the cup.

The poll numbers speak for themselves all right -- they're saying it's time for Carole James to go. She did well in 2005 but has lost direction. When she campaigned for leader, she and her people said that she would step down in a few years time to make way for someone else. It's time to make good on that promise.

"Things are moving in the right direction, though. At the recent anti-Gateway rally in Delta, Chudnovsky was by himself on the left, surrounded by Tories like John Cummins. The local newspapers in Delta noted his presence but totally ignored his remarks. Absent were all the other NDP MLAs who actually represent that area, Guy Gentner, Harry Bains, Bruce Ralston and Jagrup Brar."

None of the Gateway's matrix touches Jagrup Brar's riding of Surrey-Panorama Ridge. The only
highway improvement that does go through his riding is the widening out of Highway 10 which should have been done when the NDP was in power.

The South Fraser Perimeter Road / Hwy 17 realignment will be completed no matter what the NDP thinks.

Chudnovsky is out of his mind. He has no idea how infrastructure works. He should have been Education Critic.

And the shock here is?

Of course my buddy Zubyk gets it. No dummy he.

Now, while the last straglers of the James class are ushered out the door by the next election.....not enough time for a turnaround sportsfans. There would have to be such a major collapse of the Liberals as well..tough call.

Plus the talent pool will diminish. The Smoothie King will be off to occupy the Mayor's chair in Vancouver, in a snorefest; Farnworth will "retire", Dix will assume the mantle, but he's no Glenmeister, etc.

Hope Corky stays. They could use a little colour.

I just can’t make sense of the NDP.

They oppose P3’s and yet the only project that is non P3, being the Vancouver convention centre expansion they go out of their way to attack it.

They expect CN Rail to be accountable when a train de-rails and environmental damage occurs. Yet when the BC Ferry Union sinks a ferry; causes loss of life and environmental damage, they seem to think it is perfectly OK to hide behind Union lawyers and take no responsibility.

Over a year to take a position on the Port Mann expansion? What is to decide ? either you think we should do something about the hour long traffic jam every day or you don’t care. I spent 90 minutes trying to get from 200th over the Port Mann. That is insane. How can you have time to count potholes and not find the time to take a position on that?

They claim to support the environment and yet are looking to keep gas cheap and oppose even clean energy projects. Another example of not taking a position and trying to play both sides of an issue. How does that work ?

They claim to be the new NDP that is not affiliated with the big labor Unions and yet every single big labor Union conference they are there front and center rallying the troops.

I just can’t make sense of this version of the NDP under Carole James leadership, but as far as I am concerned, the longer she is the leader the better!

"Yet when the BC Ferry Union sinks a ferry; causes loss of life and environmental damage, they seem to think it is perfectly OK to hide behind Union lawyers and take no responsibility."

"They claim to support the environment and yet are looking to keep gas cheap and oppose even clean energy projects."

Here is the polite version for family viewing. Both of Kevin Larsen's statements, offered here as statements of fact, are without foundation. I believe Kevin is aware of that.

Yes I have been know to be a critic of Carole James, but there are a few things that should be noted.

First, her percentage of the vote was one of the best the NDP achieved, better than Harcourt or Clark. Only in 1979, 1983 and 1986 did the NDP achieve a higher percentage. The NDP stuck with Barrett for 3 losing elections.

Second, the election is still a long way off. There is more than enough time for James and Co to learn from their dismal performance and improve. The public will remember the 2008 and 2009 legislative sessions and completely forget 2006 and 2007.

Third, the NDP could draw a lucky card and see the Liberals have a major scandal and lose for that reason.

"Third, the NDP could draw a lucky card and see the Liberals have a major scandal and lose for that reason"

Could happen.

Be around when it does.

The "major scandal" the Liberals might have or at least one of them will, without question, concern MCFD. Ask anyone who works there: it has never been so bad and nothing is being accomplished. People are leaving or have left already and while the Deputy is spinning this issue, many have chosen to leave of their own volition, including key staff in her office. This scandal could be avoided but the Premier and his flunkies can't admit to have made a mistake.

A few important points regarding this poll:

1. The overall approval rating of the government is at 58%, which allows them more room to grow;

2. Campbell has a higher approval rating than James;

3. Generally speaking, during the '80's and '90's the opposition party always led the polls during mid-term;

Interesting how pragmatism and middle-of-the-road politics can give a governing party the lead in the polls.

The MLAs need to step up and push Carole out. If they don't, very few of them will be back next time around. And it's not a question of there not being somebody else to do the job. Evans, Dix or Farnworth would be 100 times better than Carole.

I disagree with A. G. Tsakumis, btw, I think Corky and Farnworth will stick around to clean up the pieces.

Carole's Got To Go is clearly working for either the BC Liberal Caucus, ... or else, ... and much more likely, ... for one of the NDP MLAs she named as leadership contenders if James is forced out.

"Carole's Got To Go is clearly working for either the BC Liberal Caucus, ... or else, ... and much more likely, ... for one of the NDP MLAs she named as leadership contenders if James is forced out."

Typical example of blind loyalty to the leader.

Political party leader blind loyalists have to rememer that political parties do not belong to the leader, they belong to the membership.

The memership should have the welfare of the party first over the welfare of any leader.

If the leader is not performing to a given level, then that leader should be thrown out.

The worst example of blind loyalty to a leader had to be when Bill VanderZalm was leader of the BC Social Credit Party.

The NDP would do well to toss James out at their next convention and get a replacement in quickly
to save their party.

A good governing party needs a strong sound opposition to keep it on its toes.

A minority (+5 to +10 seat) would be a good thing
for the BC Liberals too. They've had it too good for too long and need to be slapped on the side of the head.

Carole Zombies may want to check this part of the poll out:

Approval Rating For NDP Leader James (51%) Drops 8 Points

Carole James’ approval rating as NDP and opposition leader is down 8 points this quarter to 51% (9% “strongly”, 42% “moderately”). This is the lowest approval rating for James since just prior to the last provincial election (50% in March 2005).

Her disapproval rating of 31% is up 5 points from December (12% “strongly”, 18% “moderately”).

James’ approval rating is consistent across regions and demographic groups.

OKay, here are my best guesses. Blue Boy works for one of the NDP MLAs. But Hey Carole Zombies toils in the basement of the West Annex, reporting to one of The Premier's Men.

Too bad the folks doing the writing here arn't the ones doing the voting at party coventions. If the folks at covention wants change, they vote for one. Just remeber how wrong polls often are. There is a lot of our money changing hands right now . we keep putting money into developments losing money. Maybe the folks getting called for the poll questions arn't that up to date on things like a used ferry purchase that is twicwe what t was supposed to be, or a convention center that nobody has a clue as to what the eventual costs will be. But as good ol Stan says it will be just great. I woulnd't count out James or the NDP and in the back of my mind I figure the freinds of the NDP are saying things to motivate the troops. Time will tell. I do shake my head when some guy tells us who will be running froi mayorof vancouver, or which members will stay or go. Does that sort of person have a crystal ball?

"Too bad the folks doing the writing here arn't the ones doing the voting at party coventions."

Considering that not many are NDPers.

"If the folks at covention wants change, they vote for one. "

If the party is smart enough to provide it. Example being the federal Liberals who didn't put
a motion to revoke the power of the leader to appoint candidates.

"Just remeber how wrong polls often are."

Curious that when polls are in the negative, the response is "the most important poll is on election day". But when the polls are in the positive you never hear "the most important poll is on election day, but a long winded statement about how well the populace accepts the direction
of [name of party or name of government direction here]."

I do shake my head when some guy tells us who will be running froi mayorof vancouver, or which members will stay or go. Does that sort of person have a crystal ball?

That would be Alex T. He has a crystal ball, purple pointy hat with white stars on it, and a purple cloak.

Alex T. knows all, sees all.

The NDP is at it LOWEST point in 5 years. If the syncophants here are so eager to give Carole James the credit for the 2005 electoral comeback, should they not place the blame for the party's current misfortunes also on the leader.

Don't forget, her own approval rating has dropped by 8%! Coincidence. I think not. For the good of the party, Carole needs to make way for a new leader.

"OKay, here are my best guesses. Blue Boy works for one of the NDP MLAs. But Hey Carole Zombies toils in the basement of the West Annex, reporting to one of The Premier's Men."

This has to be hilarious. I sure hope Budd doesn't
try to be an pyscho-analyst or something.

Budd, I do not work for any of the NDP MLA's I know one of them personally, but don't work for that MLA.

In fact I'm not even a member of the NDP.

And my guess is that Budd Campbell works in the Opposition Leader's Office.

Hey--didn't Ian Reid have a poll showing how competitive the NDP was and how popular Carole was? Oops!

Wasn't David Perry spinning about how Caucus is the problem, not Carole? Oops!

Negative Destructive Pessimistic. Or No Damn Positions!

Meh. Might as well get it over with and hold a leadership convention, so that in one year's time, we can have another discussion like this one where someone goes, "Ohmigod the Liberals are still ahead in the polls we have to get rid of Farnworth (or Dix, or Evans, or whatever other Clark-era retread they dig up to succeed James) as leader NOW!"

Budd, I do not work for any of the NDP MLA's I know one of them personally, but don't work for that MLA.

Very well, Blue Boy, I take your word for it. Does the NDP MLA you know personally happen to take the same view you do on the reasons for the NDP's standing in the opinion polls, that is, does he say as you do that it's almost entirely Carole James fault?

"Very well, Blue Boy, I take your word for it. Does the NDP MLA you know personally happen to take the same view you do on the reasons for the NDP's standing in the opinion polls, that is, does he say as you do that it's almost entirely Carole James fault?"

Budd, Do you not agree that in Canada, conversations between friends are considered private?

However having said that, everything does come back to leader of a party no matter what party it is and who the leader is.

Your blind loyalty is starting to show.

I would like to address the issue in my native tongue of Gungan:

Mesa thinking that disa NDP isa sinkin faster than disa Titanic sir. Theysa leader isa muy muy indecisive and theysa caucus staff cannot find theysa own asses with desa own two hands anda bloodhound.

I don't care what anybody thinks - that last one was funny!

Budd, Do you not agree that in Canada, conversations between friends are considered private?

However having said that, everything does come back to leader of a party no matter what party it is and who the leader is.

Your blind loyalty is starting to show.

Blue Boy, what is the point of presenting arguments on a public chat board, claiming to know someone important, and then claiming privacy? Can you please explain this yourself, ... or do you have to get back to your MLA friend first?

What is showing here is your blind belief that "everything does come back to leader of a party". That is quite simply a totally absurb distortion of reality and every reasonable person knows that. If you want to claim that everything does depend on the leader and nothing else, then that's serious blindness on your part, whether it be involuntary or staged for the purposes of putting forward your fake argument against Carole James.

A couple of more things. Do you personally think your NDP MLA friend would be in the running if James quits and there's another leadership race? What do you think would actually happen to the NDP and it's standing in the polls if it were propelled into a leadership contest at this time?

Or maybe some of the critics of Carole James here are actually working FOR Carole James, with the goal of discrediting the internal opposition to her by making them look like inane self-aggrandizing nitwits.

Hey, it's just a theory. :D

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