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In January, Vancouver-Burrard provincial Liberal MLA Lorne Mayencourt mused about running for federal Conservatives in the next election. Almost two months later, Mr. Mayencourt has yet to announce whether he'll actually be joining Prime Minister Stephen Harper on the campaign trail. But one could be coming sooner rather than later. Mr. Mayencourt's annual fundraiser is scheduled to take place on March 14 at the Victoria Chinese Restaurant. So it would make some sense if the backbencher declared was to declare his intentions after that fundraiser.

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Mr Mr Mayencourt is a BC Liberal and my case and point makes any BC liberal a Federal Liberal. Those who claim to be both a Provincial Liberal and a Federal Conservative have a dual personality disorder. Just because thier is no Conservative Party of BC to speek of, doesn't mean turning your back on them. Taking the easy way out seems to be the way the BC Hydrid Party (BC Liberals) have chosen. Thier only motivation is, beat the NDP at all cost even if it means compromising thier political ideaology. What does this say about thier morality? That being said do we really trust these people to lead and govern? That is a question each British Columbian should ask themselves.

Jim Van Rassel
Coquitlam BC

I can't believe he's thinking of running as a Conservative. He is going to get his ass handed to him.

"Mr Mr Mayencourt is a BC Liberal and my case and point makes any BC liberal a Federal Liberal. Those who claim to be both a Provincial Liberal and a Federal Conservative have a dual personality disorder."

Yep, we're all sick ;-)

"Just because thier is no Conservative Party of BC to speek of, doesn't mean turning your back on them."

If the BC Conservatives would get busy and try to be something rather than wish to be something then there might be something there.

But right now there's nothing in there to see. Except an empty storage room.

"Taking the easy way out seems to be the way the BC Hydrid Party (BC Liberals) have chosen. Thier only motivation is, beat the NDP at all cost even if it means compromising thier political ideaology. What does this say about thier morality? That being said do we really trust these people to lead and govern? That is a question each British Columbian should ask themselves."

One point to ask is:

Do the Provincial Conservatives have a real leader
and a real alternative platform?

Seems I heard this argument before when the BC Conservatives were lost sheep when BC Social Credit was in power. They had something worth starting with Peter Pollen as leader, but have gone the wayside ever since.

Well Ujjal Dosanjh was with the NDP in this province and he ran federally as a Liberal. Why wouldn't a "Liberal" from this province run federally as a Conservative. They map quite nicely to each other.

I'd love to see Fry vs. Mayencourt. A contest of loopy egomaniacs. Really, I'm embarrassed to live in this riding.

Jim,

I have to say i disagree. I think it is of no suprise to anyone that the BC Liberals are just as full of fedreal tories as grits. In fact, many of the front line BC Liberal cabinet ministers are Tories. Falcon, Coleman to name a few. With more than one of those "front line tories" with leadership aspirations.

It's no coincidence that there is no provincial Conservative party running in our province. This is the only province which this is the case. The "right" it would appear have made some sort of deal to keep the NDP out of power.

This ought to be proof that the fed libs and fed cons are one in the same.

Jim,

I am happy to say that I will proudly support, donate, and volunteer for whatever BC provincial political party has the best chance to keep those NDP Socialist Hordes firmly behind the gates of hell where they belong.

In the 80’s it was the Socred’s and now it is the BC Liberals. We right wingers have finally figured out that in BC united we stand, divided we allow the NDP to destroy the Province by splitting the vote.

We can never let the NDP destroy BC ever again. Never.

Thanks, Kevin, that was quite revealing.

"BC provincial political party has the best chance to keep those NDP Socialist Hordes firmly behind the gates of hell where they belong."

The 'Socialist Hordes'?

Great Caesar's Ghost, haven't heard that phrase since the mid 1980's. The good times, the time of
the legendary BC Social Credit Party led by
a real leader, Bill Bennett.

Besides, the BC Liberals are the benificiaries of
good economic times. They have never had to fight off the NDP in real conditions, that is, a strong NDP organization and mediocre economic
conditions at the same time. BC Social Credit did, but the BC Liberals have never had to face a stiff opposition, and therefore don't even compare.

The 'Socialist Hordes'?

Great Caesar's Ghost, haven't heard that phrase since the mid 1980's.

Actually Sam, that particular phrase was really only used once, by WAC Bennett in the general election of 1972, the one he lost to Dave Barrett. Of course, it got refered to for years thereafter, but it was actually delivered in just that one election, in one of WAC's last election speeches.

"Actually Sam, that particular phrase was really only used once, by WAC Bennett in the general election of 1972, the one he lost to Dave Barrett. Of course, it got refered to for years thereafter, but it was actually delivered in just that one election, in one of WAC's last election speeches."

And the Dave Barrett government - an experiment in
democratic socialism - had to be one of the worst
governments in existence in B.C., save for the
Glen Clark government (but the Glen Clark government existed because of stupid remarks made by Gordon Campbell in the 1996 election).

We used to refer to the NDP as "The Horde". The term is still bandied about by us old Socreds.

The NDP hating the awful evil Bill Bennett Socreds and the Socreds doing what we could to keep the NDP in check, and both parties had volunteers that actually worked for their respective causes.

Quite different from the current wimpy days of easy governance, and easy wimpy opposition and
wimpy political parties.

Ah Budd, admit my friend, you and I miss the good old days when it really meant something to be a volunteer. To be a real member of a political party.

Admit it. You really learned your politics back then.

Not like now.

So it looks like after 9 more respondents I have my answers. The Provincial liberals and Federal Conservative are married out of convenience. Call it an arranged marriage. They will do anything to keep,,how was it put? "The Socialist Hordes" out of power. It sound to me these two parties are doing a little social engineering of their own. What I mean by that is limiting true democracy by eliminating a choice. In this case a viable Conservative Party of BC. Cowards' I say, Afraid of a good fight, maybe? or just afraid of the unknown. Probably all of the above. I'm not a NDP supporter,but I am not afraid of a good fight. Furthering the democratic process in BC is worth it!

Jim Van Rassel
Coquitlam BC

Amazing arguments about the obvious. Twiddle-dee and twiddle-dum, reprsenting the Kevin Larsens of the world.

It reminds me of those old gangester movies where there was always a second get-a-way car for the crooks to speed off in when the heat got a bit close.

Good to see that Kevin avoided any Larseny and 'fessed up when offered a chance to explain this behaviour.

"The Provincial liberals and Federal Conservative are married out of convenience. Call it an arranged marriage. They will do anything to keep,,how was it put? "The Socialist Hordes" out of power.

There's also the aspect of providing policies
for economic development, etc. etc.

"It sound to me these two parties are doing a little social engineering of their own. What I mean by that is limiting true democracy by eliminating a choice. "

How is that so? The Provincial Conservatives are
perfectly free to run candidates and develop policies as they choose to do so. The important part is to come up with candidates and policies
that the voting public will want in volumes enough to win a few seats or possibily government.

"In this case a viable Conservative Party of BC."

Doesn't seem to be much there at this point. Explain how it is viable, and how it attracts
voters in large amounts?

"Cowards' I say, Afraid of a good fight, maybe? or just afraid of the unknown. Probably all of the above. I'm not a NDP supporter,but I am not afraid of a good fight. Furthering the democratic process in BC is worth it!"

Exactly. Put forward sound policies and real workable candidates or sound candidates and real workable policies and the BC CP will be able to win the minds of voters.

If the BCCP isn't successfull in marketing themselves to the voting public and therefore becoming a viable option to the awful evil BC Liberals and those awful evil NDPers, look in the mirror.

Who knows, maybe the BC CP will become the great tyee someday.


Budd and Jim

I am not trying to be a jerk, just trying to be honest. I know lots of NDP that vote for the Federal Liberals to try to keep the Conservatives out of power. I am only saying that the same thing happens here in BC on the Provincial scale, many of us will vote strictly to keep the NDP out of power.

It is the same thing but from different sides of the fence.

Kudos to Kevin. I don't even think the New Democratic Party should be even called "New Democratic", in fact they deserve the name "Non-Democratic Party". Their politics of putting "unions first" and "tax the rich" is just scary and leeward from reality.

For readers out there, Mr. Van Rassel, a poster here sponsors in part, many of my public opinion polls.

When Reform and Canadian Alliance were the Opposition to the federal Liberals, it was not unreasonable (from a political science perspective) to permit a coalition party in B.C.
My company was the first to determine that the provincial Reform (under Bill Vander Zalm) had dropped from 24% to 5% in the shift from Reform to Canadian Alliance.

Things have changed and may change more significantly on the federal stage. The Conservatives are the federal government, and may form a majority government.

Political science would dictate that a provincial (BC) conservative party (with that name label) should have been developed fully including an executive (they have), a Board of Directors (they sort of have), and money (they don't have).

If the federal Conservatives win a majority and do not take appropriate steps to initiate a proper provincial conservative wing, when there are conservative party's in all other province (ADQ in Quebec), then this leaves a clear and unmitigated vacuum in BC, and this should never be in a bona fide democracy.

The BC Conservative executive and Directors are not likely capable of doing anything. If they call their next AGM for the lower mainland, than they are acting in the best interests of conservatism in the province, if they order it for somewhere it is difficult to properly cover (media) or for members potential or otherwise to attend, then they are obstructing politics in the province for their own purpose, at what motivation I could not say.

These political facts have nothing to do with other explanations proffered herein, and in my opinion should not.

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