I want to be the minority

Federal Liberal leadership candidate Bob Rae and Michael Ignatieff's supporters were nowhere to be found on the list of 13 leadership convention delegates elected by the party's British Columbia executive on Monday. As required by the party constitution, three of those spots filled by executive members - in this case secretary James Hatton, constitutional advisor Martin MacLachlan and policy chair Cameron St. John. Messrs. Hatton and St. John are both backing Gerrard Kennedy whereas Mr. MacLachlan is an independent. The remaining ten were divided equally between men and women: independent delegates Michele Cadario and Jane Shackell; Kennedy delegates Dean Crawford, Jennifer Hatton, Shannon Salter and Bruce Young; Stephane Dion delegates Mark Marissen, Ann Tautz and Mike Witherly; and Ken Dryden delegate Roy Bornmann.

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Until the Grits wake-up to reality, the long list of the usual suspects filling this spot and that won't matter a tinker's damn.

Ignatieff doesn't deserve a seat in the hallway nevermind anywhere else. What other bovine idiot would thermalize the once thought doen embers of a thankfully dormant constitutional debate with an unparalleled, nuclear powered idiocy that heralds Quebec as a "nation". That kind of premature emancipation only does damage to the Liberals, and, frankly, the country, coast to coast.

Dion is a three dressed up as a nine (with apologies to the legions of Troopers). IF he didn't have Marissen (Arguably the best organizer in the country, across all parties) he wouldn't even be in this race. Dion's lack of a basic understanding of the way to get the country fully on track leaves one wondering if he's mixed up his speaking notes with those of chater lunatic fringers like Garth Turner on one day and Scott Brison the next. Not to mention his biggest challenge: he can't bloody well speak English. The man is incomprehensible, at times seeming incoherent. Remember the last time we trusted the Liberals with a similar joker? Oh well, I'm sure Jean's just counting somewhere.....

And let's just forget about Rae, although the Tories have to be praying this guy wins. He has the biggest prima donnas on his team (some local, some national), few of whom can work with the old Martin crowd, and he will be a flashpoint for Ontario voters, particularly in the rural areas where his not-so economic policies screwed those folks so badly, they're still having trouble taking a seat.

If the Liberals get smart, and elect Kennedy, the Tories will have a tough time. Why? It's simple: how to you juxtapostion a peculiar, ill-at-ease fellow like the PM to a young, brash, composed, highly likable guy who wears his love of country on his sleeve? You can't. I still think Harper could win (if he starts firing the soCon freaks throughout the party) but not with a majority. That would require a Gordon Campbell as Leader of the Tories.

Oh well, let's see what our friends in Gritland do with themselves. Their choice for leader couldn't possibly be worse than the last two they made.

Or could it?

"You can't. I still think Harper could win (if he starts firing the soCon freaks throughout the party) but not with a majority. That would require a Gordon Campbell as Leader of the Tories."

Alex, you had one too many beers at Kevin Falcon's lounge party.

"A Gordon Campbell"? Get real. Campbell is worse than Harper when it comes to relating to Joe and Mary Sixpack, and his micromanaging style is legendary. Nooo thankyou.

Micromanaging is taught as a "don't do that" in
business school.

But would agree with you, the social Conservatives should be thrown out. The have their own party, the Christian Heritage Party, but few if any ever want to get that party goin'.

Marissen the best organizer in the country? That's
a bit of a stretch.

Any idiot can do that stuff, if they've gone through one or two leaderships at the intermediate level. In fact all that is is just logistics. Easy. Politics is just guessing most
of the time anyway.

If you say he has a hard job, pleez.

Try being a volunteer.

I see the name Roy Bornman. Is that a brother or other relation of Eric Bornman?

Tom Tory,

I did two successful tours of business school and micro-managing is referred to but not a no-no. In some cases, where some ministers/employees/managers are so very incompetent, it's required (reading, at least).

But I digress.

My embrace of a Campbell candidacy for PM is simple: other than not having quite a handle on French (that he should have), he's perfect. The micro-managing you refer to will have to be gone as the job of PM will not allow for it (certainly not like it does in Victoria). Gordon is extremely well-liked across the country (for good reason) and is of the few who genuinely understand the First Nations issue, which I think will stand front and center (other than tax relief, stand-down economics, the war, etc.)
Additionally, you obviously don't know Campbell very well, and know Harper even less. Gordon will very much resonate with the hinterland. He learned his plaid-shirt lesson. If ther eis one thing that people underestimate about Campbell, is his perceptiveness politically. He learns from his political mistakes (although is at time confounded by those made in Government: think Olympic mathematics). Harper, arguably a hinterlander, is a policy wonk and ivory tower wannabe, who has not yet figured out what really happened on Tuesday to his new pen pal in Washington could happen to him pronto. Harper cannot win a majority--period. Look at the weak candidates the Tories are corraling in the Lower Mainland, with few exceptions. Peterson in Quadra, very good when juxtapositioned to the useless tit Owen. But other areas where Tories should be winning in spades: spent retreads who believe they are entitled to a shot. The Liberals, to their credit, have a fairly energized group and barring any major scandal like last time, will not fold. Their vote will come out, unless it's Rae and then Harper has a shot at it if recruiting is going better in the Maritimes, rural Ontario and Quebec than it is in B.C.

As for Marissen, I have grown to appreciate his talent as an organizer. He's not a blowhard like others in the Grits and particularly the Tories. Dion should not be in this race. He is a very poor candidate for leader. He is in it because of Mark's ability to dedicate considerable smarts and wily bridge building. I think the whole Christy/Sam showdown was just not the right playing field for Mark, in such a short period of time, otherwise it would have been a different result. (Mind, with Christy, then, as a perceived interloper/parachute candidate, I think she would have lost to Jabba the Hut). And if you really believe that politics is guessing than you know little about it. People in this country gave the PM a chance as our neighbors down south have given a similar chance to the Dems.

It's not how you win an election. That formula is pretty static: find the strengths the people crave and play to them; find the real weaknesses of your opponent and exploit them. It's how you lose it. Sometimes even when you win, you lose. All the pundits pregnant on their love of the secular progressives think the Dems won Tuesday...really? If they cannot get America out of Iraq and a hard place, watch what happens to them in 2008. Look at the NPA councillors locally. Lousy campaign = one star so far (Suzanne Anton) and a mish-mash of bad messaging and twitdom. But they won, right?

Politcs is far from easy Tommy old boy, except perhaps when that pea of yours is trying to rattle around the concept in between cranial burps.

Oh, and I was not at future Premier Falcon's soiree. Somehow, frankly, I am at a loss as to how anyone else fit in the room with May-in-court and his celebrity-sized ego front and center.

"My embrace of a Campbell candidacy for PM is simple: other than not having quite a handle on French (that he should have), he's perfect."

Alex.. there is no "perfect candidate" and never has been.

"The micro-managing you refer to will have to be gone as the job of PM will not allow for it (certainly not like it does in Victoria).

I'm wondering about that, since there is talent
and potential talent in Victoria, that simply is being supressed.

"Gordon is extremely well-liked across the country (for good reason) and is of the few who genuinely understand the First Nations issue, which I think will stand front and center (other than tax relief, stand-down economics, the war, etc.) "

Big difference between federal and provincial issues.

Also consider that Campbell will be around 65
when the opportunity for leadership comes up
and the party may want someone who is younger
and more dynamic.

"Additionally, you obviously don't know Campbell very well, and know Harper even less. "

Actually I've been following both in detail since
both have been Preimier and Prime Minister respectively and when both were in opposition.

I voted for one in a leadership.

"Gordon will very much resonate with the hinterland. "

He might, but its not guaranteed.

"He learned his plaid-shirt lesson. If ther eis one thing that people underestimate about Campbell, is his perceptiveness politically."

He should have used that when he talked about selling BC Rail in 1996 which caused him to throw away the 1996 election, and the attempt at selling the Coquihalla Highway which ended up being a disaster.

He also should have guarded himself when on that trip to Maui.

"He learns from his political mistakes (although is at time confounded by those made in Government: think Olympic mathematics)."

Obviously not too much as there has been errors in
his government's handling of child welfare.

Mistakes are the result of not being careful.

"Harper, arguably a hinterlander, is a policy wonk and ivory tower wannabe, who has not yet figured out what really happened on Tuesday to his new pen pal in Washington could happen to him pronto.

Wrong there. The Republicans lost because of America's disenchantment with the Iraqi conflict.

Harper is pretty sharp. Campbell was abysmal in
his first few years as leader of the BC Liberals,
and bumped around in his first two years as Premier.

"Harper cannot win a majority--period."

We'll see.

"Look at the weak candidates the Tories are corraling in the Lower Mainland, with few exceptions. "

If you could do better go for it.


Peterson in Quadra, very good when juxtapositioned to the useless tit Owen. But other areas where Tories should be winning in spades: spent retreads who believe they are entitled to a shot. The Liberals, to their credit, have a fairly energized group and barring any major scandal like last time, will not fold.

Consider that the Liberals have retreads in their organisational structure and are hardly a democratic group when it comes to selecting leadership delegate seats. They won't fold of course.

"As for Marissen, I have grown to appreciate his talent as an organizer. He's not a blowhard like others in the Grits and particularly the Tories."

But he does love power and influence and its the only reason why he is in on the Dion campaign.

"Dion should not be in this race. He is a very poor candidate for leader. He is in it because of Mark's ability to dedicate considerable smarts and wily bridge building. "

Bridges if not properly built can collapse.

"I think the whole Christy/Sam showdown was just not the right playing field for Mark, in such a short period of time, otherwise it would have been a different result. (Mind, with Christy, then, as a perceived interloper/parachute candidate, I think she would have lost to Jabba the Hut). And if you really believe that politics is guessing than you know little about it.

I know quite a bit about it. One analyses and
then makes a calculated guess as to what to do
next.

"People in this country gave the PM a chance as our neighbors down south have given a similar chance to the Dems."

I think that "chance" is pretty strong. It will
carry them into 2008 no doubt, since Americans
are wanting change.

"It's not how you win an election. That formula is pretty static: find the strengths the people crave and play to them; find the real weaknesses of your opponent and exploit them. It's how you lose it. Sometimes even when you win, you lose. All the pundits pregnant on their love of the secular progressives think the Dems won Tuesday...really? If they cannot get America out of Iraq and a hard place, watch what happens to them in 2008.

The Democrats do not have the power to remove the troops from Iraq. That has to come from the President. You should learn their system a bit more. It's quite different from ours. The Democrats for example can enable a vote to return the troops home, but the President can veto.

"Look at the NPA councillors locally. Lousy campaign = one star so far (Suzanne Anton) and a mish-mash of bad messaging and twitdom. But they won, right?"

Of course they did. I was there.

Politcs is far from easy Tommy old boy, except perhaps when that pea of yours is trying to rattle around the concept in between cranial burps.

Let's not get arrogant and personal Alex. I've been a major participant in several major campaign wins and many camapigns which had large vote gains despite and end result loss. I've been able to kill off a few NDPers politically. But unlike some people, I don't stand around trying to look important. I just do what needs to be done
but as a volunteer. I've been paid very well for some of those campaigns.

"Oh, and I was not at future Premier Falcon's soiree. Somehow, frankly, I am at a loss as to how anyone else fit in the room with May-in-court and his celebrity-sized ego front and center."

Those wo want to see Falcon as leader of the BC Liberals.

and by the way, the wisdom in management is quite
simple. Let the people do what they do well and leave the breathing down their neck alone.

Did you ever notice that the best companies to work for are those who work within a team environment and not the tyrannical micro-management?

Management is dynamic, dear boy, the goal is to get a balance of acheivement of goals for both the entity and the teams within. A firm hand when needed, but not nessearily all the time.

It doesn't nessearily mean micromanging is the best way to go.

But anyway, loosen up, Alex.

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