Now that's interesting!!!

As long as the Grewals are invloved in anything in the party or are receiving protective cover or any kind of preferential treatment from the party, then the Indo community in Surrey will always be divided into fifty, not two. The factionalism created by wedge candidates creates is NEVER worth any plus provided(in this case--no pluses at all).

But then again, to figure this out that would require some intelligent life at the organizational level. Other than Aisenstat, who is a bon fide backroomer with cranial matter to spare, and Giraud, with almost equal credentials, run down the list of provincial Tory "movers" in charge of this looming campaign.

"But then again, to figure this out that would require some intelligent life at the organizational level. Other than Aisenstat, who is a bon fide backroomer with cranial matter to spare,"

Aisenstat knows how to organize a bus tour.

Giraud on the other hand is a real party person, someone who knows the value of volunteers in the party.

I 'm not sure what bus you're riding Tory Tour...

Aisenstat is a former PMOer with talent and organizational skill.

Giraud is equally good I suppose but seems to have recently (surprisingly) sided with the soCon end of the party that is killing any kind of inclusiveness necessary for true and lasting change.

The off hand manner with which you commented shows me only that you know little about either man, particularly Aisenstat.

I think you should ask for a transfer...

FYI: Camp-X was beside Lake Ontario underground on the bounder between Oshawa and Whitbey Ontario. There is a memorial at the site to the people who died both in training there and behind enemy lines in WWII; most spies trained there died in combat.

I used to skate on the pond beside the "tunnels", which was a mile from home and everyone called "Camp-X". A WWII torpedo from the camp washed ashore one summer near it; the dumber kids would climb into the tunnels of the facility. The military had dynamited the tunnels before abandoning them - but caverns remained.

During the war, dead bodies from training washed ashore and would be picked up by the RCMP or MPs... Occasionally spies would practice sabotage around town (Oshawa) and get caught and be "mysteriously" let go under military escort - nobody asked question during the war. Until the 1980, the Canadian government refused to place a memorial at the site to honour the dead and denied what everyone who lived there knew� such in not the case now.

Camp-X is no mystery� is was a deadly serious spy school that well more than half the students and operatives did not survive to tell their tales� few of their missions succeeded - the decoding of the enigma being a famous exception.

"I 'm not sure what bus you're riding Tory Tour..."

The Big Blue Tory Bus

"Aisenstat is a former PMOer with talent and organizational skill. "

Sure he does, he was in the PMO during Mulroney's time. But lots of people have talent and organization skill. He's not the only one with those traits.

John's a good guy, but not an organizational God. Think you might be putting him on a pedestal to heighten his stature.

"Giraud is equally good I suppose but seems to have recently (surprisingly) sided with the soCon end of the party that is killing any kind of inclusiveness necessary for true and lasting change."

Wouldn't know what to soCon end is, but Giraud is very personable and works well with people. A good guy to share a beer and pizza with.

"The off hand manner with which you commented shows me only that you know little about either man, particularly Aisenstat."

I know both actually.

"I think you should ask for a transfer..."

Don't need one. I'm on the Tory Big Blue Bus until the final stop in Ottawa. Paid full fare.