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August 10, 2006
More red meat

Remember when Sam Sullivan's supporters met at Morton's Steakhouse back in March to let the mayor know they'd be watching his political back? Well, according to our operatives, the mayor had another meeting at Morton's on July 30 featuring a somewhat smaller group of loyalists: George Cadman, Colin Metcalfe, Jodi Norrison, Steve Simpson, Warren Smith, Alex Tsakumis and Lynn Zanatta. No word yet on what was discussed at that get-together.

Posted by Sean Holman at 10:49 AM
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Is the Alex Tsakumis refered to above the same as the A. G. Tsakumis whose posts we read here on PEO?

Posted by Budd Campbell on August 10, 2006 12:34 PM

You are correct.

Posted by yup on August 10, 2006 02:04 PM

Nothing gets by Budd.

Posted by wow on August 10, 2006 02:18 PM

Man, that Budd guy is sharp.

Knows his way around.

"Is the Alex Tsakumis refered to above the same as the A. G. Tsakumis whose posts we read here on PEO?"

Who woulda thunk it would be the same person?

Posted by Sam Spade on August 10, 2006 03:03 PM

Interesting that the group at Morton's appears not include many of the key members of the NPA team that deserve at least some credit with helping Sam win the election. Where was Hillman, Hartrick, Young, Hyndman or Castelli for that matter? Have they been cut out??
Closed doors and small groups do not a happy coalition make. Big tents make re-election much much easier.

Posted by interesting on August 10, 2006 05:03 PM

Hey, the names are the same. But who says that the A. G. Tsakumis who posts here is really Alex Tsakumis? That's the question, and it's a valid one.

Posted by Budd Campbell on August 10, 2006 05:36 PM

Budd writes: "Hey, the names are the same. But who says that the A. G. Tsakumis who posts here is really Alex Tsakumis? That's the question, and it's a valid one."

Budd,

Don't worry about asking questions... nothing wrong with that.

Posted by Eugene Parks on August 11, 2006 08:29 AM

Is it a real name or a handle? Is this the Internet or real life? Just a bunch of obscure opinions or facts that really matter? As I get older (I'm almost 90)it gets harder to tell the difference.

Posted by Budd G. Campbell on August 11, 2006 09:30 AM

Budd Campbell (is that your real name?) why all the questions about Tsakumis? Are you trying to tell us something? The A.G Tsakumis who posts here is the same Alex Tsakumis who is listed above. What's up with that? Does it make a difference? Do tell because I can just see Tsakumis having a good old belly laugh waiting for you to say something stupid and then knocking you around for fun for a few postings. Of course Eugene Parks leaps to your defense. Who else would bother?

Posted by Budd the genius on August 11, 2006 10:39 AM

How interesting that after almost a year of floundering Sullivan has woken up. Nothing he or his staff touched turned to anything but crap all year, so now he meets with the a-team so they can save his backside (again). I think the first Morton's meeting was just an appreciation night for his group. this looks very different. There isn't one person in that room except for Sullivan and his girlfriend, who doesn't have a good track record for being a ball breaker. Whatever it was they were discussing it won't be good for the mayor's opponents. Look at how they demolished Christy.

Posted by very interesting on August 11, 2006 10:49 AM

Someone get "interesting" some help puuleeeze..

Why would Sam Sullivan have Hillman, Young, Castelli or Hyndman on board? They all voted for Christy. They all supported Christy. Castelli might as well be a liberal like the rest of them. Hyndman was an ineffective campaign chair.

No, Sam looks like he's decided to get his political life in order. The people at the Morton's meeting are all scorched earth disciples. If these Sam people get some traction Team Ladner maybe should start worrying about the heat. They will make Peter's pistol look like a pee shooter. Poor Allen Langdon is always the bridesmaid.

Posted by east van girl on August 11, 2006 11:24 AM

Respecfully, east Van Girl you have your facts wrong.

Castelli was a Sam supporter from the get go.

Either way, all those folks you mentioned worked hard for Sam during the election, regardless of who they supported for the nomination.

Why all the concern about Ladner anyway? The guy can't walk and chew gum for crying out loud. Do you stay awake at night worrying about a putcsh led by Elizabeth Ball as well? Both are equally likely of success.

But assuming for one small second that Lander is some kind of a threat, if you were Sam, wouldn't you want some folks like the ones you mentioned to support you if you were going into a nasty fight? Would you rather they be against you because you neglected the relationships?

Bottom line - nobody is going to touch Sam Sullivan for the next NPA nomination or the next election for that matter.

Sometimes these tight inner circles a la Mortons spend a little too much time clouded in paranoia and conjuring enemies where none exist so that they can justify their own existence to a leader who should know better.

Posted by joe on August 11, 2006 01:24 PM

No one will touch Sam even in the election. I am however concerned that those extreme lefts are going to realign against NPA's which is already a mass. Sam has jumped onto a "non-partisan" populist platform(thanks to all the liberal NPA members on the council) and as such it has created a division between the power-hungry liberals (in general) and principled conservatives within the party. I expect strong challengers from the right to contest these libearl councillors for nomination come 2008.

Posted by FHK on August 11, 2006 03:57 PM

Hey Joe. I think it's you that doesn't have your facts straight. Those people mentioned from the campaign worked hard for Sam? Huh? What campaign were you working on?. Hyndman a strategist? Talk about someone who can't chew gum and walk at the same time! Young was supportive of Sam? Castelli a supporter?
Whatever your motivation, I feel sorry for your logic. I don't like the tactics of the the scorched earth society any more than you do, but it served Sullivan well. The people you think are paranoia freakizoids are actually some impressive people to be able to get into one room.

I couldn't care less about Ladner. He's done himself in already. Langdon can maipulate the NPA board all he wants, Sullivan will answer you watch. Whatever it was that motivated Sullivan to meet must have something there that's all I'm saying. You are very foolish to think that Sullivan doesn't need these guys and naieve to believe that he could call upon people who wanted him to lose. The Morton's team saved Sullivan ass each in their own way. I don't like them, but I acknowledge what they did.

You're agenda isn't clear because nothing you or 'interested' have posted makes any sense. Sleep it off maybe. I'm just concerned this gives rise to empty tin like Suzanne Anton or expands the bubble gum support of a Kim Capri.

You watch, Sullivan will turn this around. His only other choice is to flail away for two years. I assume that this is an effort on his part to protect himself.

Posted by east van girl on August 11, 2006 04:03 PM

Hey Budd the genius, are you speaking of the same AG Tsakumis who in Charred Politics, tried and failed to shift the discussion to the mid-east?

You know the fellow, who tried to tar Muslims as fascists. Quite similar to comments by another fascist, GW bush, who calls them Islamic fascists.

Posted by bleedingheart on August 11, 2006 05:03 PM

I here the east indians are also meeting with sam.

Posted by surrey girl on August 11, 2006 11:05 PM

'bleedingheart' might want to rethink his comments regarding Tsakumis.

You wish you had Alex's contacts in the Muslim community. I read that thread in 'Charbroiled Politics' and was surprised to find that not only Tsakumis was successful in switching discussion (if that was his goal all along which I doubt) but 'bleedingheart' was also first to take the bait! Tsakumis believes that there are fascists in the Muslim community (Usama, etc), the same way he has posted about Christian fascists. I agree with him totally, for what else do you call both groups who insist that Israel should be wiped from the map??

'bleedingheart' looks like it's got a bleeding brain as well. If you are going to post, do your research and make some sense. Tsakumis is very well known in the inter-faith community for speaking out about tolerance and respect. He is beloved in Surrey by his Muslim friends and very well respected by his Jewish freinds (and family) You basically slandered the guy because he hates Hezbollah. That tells us nothing we don't already know about Alex, and everything about 'bleedingbrain'.

Posted by what the? on August 12, 2006 10:11 AM

What The?, perhaps you could inform me which side of the mid-east nightmare your god is responsible for. And is she still angrily slaughtering innocents with biblical zeal?

It seems to bother you deeply that the entire world has yet to buy into the shallow argument that but for Hazbollah peace would reign in the mid-east.

The real fascists in Canada are people such as yourself, who cheer when Steve Harper toadies for US warlord Bush.

Posted by bleedingheart on August 12, 2006 01:17 PM

What The?, perhaps you could inform me which side of the mid-east nightmare your god is responsible for. And is she still angrily slaughtering innocents with biblical zeal?

Hezbollah?

It seems to bother you deeply that the entire world has yet to buy into the shallow argument that but for Hazbollah peace would reign in the mid-east.

If Hezbollah and the other terrorist Islamic
groups didn't exist, there would be peace in the Middle East.

The real fascists in Canada are people such as yourself, who cheer when Steve Harper toadies for US warlord Bush.

Yeh right, and there's no fascists in the Islamic world, such as Osama, the head of Hezbollah, the head of Hamas, etc. etc??

As much as some people hate it, Israel does have a right to exist, as it is a sovereign country.

Why worry about Bush? He can't run again anyway.

Posted by Tralfaz on August 12, 2006 05:37 PM

The reality is "bleeding heart" that unless you and the other apologists for terrorist organizations come to the realization that Israel is a legitimate country that belongs in the Middle East, then the bloodshed will continue. Sad, frankly, that you want to tie in your hate for a particular world leader, only to showcase your obviously anti-Semitic position. You have not once in this thread or any of the others addressed the salient point made by myself and others, that the war between Lebanon and Israel was started by Hezbollah and that if it is to end, it must be the aggressor state, Lebanon, which must disarm the Hezbollah (with international support or not). Two of their Cabinet Ministers are openly Hezbollah. Any answers for why the "poor" folks in Lebanon voted for terrorists? Doesn't matter really, because they are getting what they have earned in so doing.

I know many a bleeding heart on this topic and at least they are somewhat coherent in their diatribe.

Absolutely, change your handle to fit your postings: breeding fart.

Posted by A. G. Tsakumis on August 12, 2006 07:48 PM

Absolutely, change your handle to fit your postings: breeding fart.

Posted by A. G. Tsakumis on August 12, 2006 07:48 PM

I asked before, I will ask again. Is this A. G. Tsakumis one and the same as the Alex Tsakumis who is reported on in the article?

Posted by Budd Campbell on August 12, 2006 11:38 PM

Finally our champion of everything right(A.G.Tsakumis), is showing us his real colours.

Now please pay attention AG. The good people of Lebanon voted in a democratic election to elect more than a dozen Hezbollah candidates to office.

It's just like what recently happened in Palestine when Hamas was democratically elected as government.

The US, Israel and other lackey states went apeshit because, despite Israel's continued brutal and fascist treatment of virtually all Palestinians, they couldn't intimidate the Palestinians at the ballot box.

"You have not once in this thread or any of the others addressed the salient point made by me and others...blah, blah, blah..", said AG Tsakumis.

Gee AG, did you ever stop think that most of us simply don't see anything "salient" about more of your shallow position.

Israel has been invading (both incursions and full out attacks) Lebanon for more than a quarter of a century without let up, just as it has been holding most of Palestine under a cruel and vicious state of inhumane conditions that continue as we write.

Your "salient" point is dull rhetoric the vast majority of Canadians see right through as they continue to call for Canada to do the right thing rather than being yanked about by foreign interests.

Tsakumis, I'd suggest it is you who is blinded.

Oh, I forget, you've been manipulating us poor schmucks here into reacting, right?

Well now, it seems you are the reactionary Tsakumis. Get a democratically elected government you don't like and right away they are all terrorists.

You're starting to sound like a U.S. administration official. You've even got your own toadies as is evident by the lip-smackers who rally to your hateful comments here.

Posted by bleedingheart on August 13, 2006 11:07 AM

Breeding fart!

Why don't you come out and play some more...with even greater disgusting anti-Semitic rhetoric...Israel has had to defend herself from the late forties on because of precisely the movement which you (not so) shockingly support--terrorism. The Lebanese, and anyone else who supports a bastardization of the great and peaceful religion that is Islam, get what they have earned.

Oh, and before I forget. Sixty percent of Canadians (I cannot believe I am citing a Mop and Pail poll, oh well it's Sunday and I am resting) are either in support or strongly in support of the Conservative Gov't position of Israel and no amount of frothy mouthed racism from you or any other idiot will change that.

Blessings to you on the Lord's day. You are living proof that he loves even the idiots.

Posted by A. G. Tsakumis on August 13, 2006 11:49 AM

So AG Tsakumis, that champion of the right is down to lobbing cheap names at me because his efforts to push the US/Israeli propaganda line here has failed so badly.

But please, could you point out any of my "disgusting anti-semetic rhetoric", as you say in your pathetic leap on yet another shallow effort to paint Israeli critics as racist.

Talk about empty rhetoric.

But your lackies here have stated you are such a whiz with the words, a virtual wordsmith, well not quite, because you make up statements and then attribute them to others rather than words of any consequence. That's even lower than lying.

But that aside, surely you can come back with at least one shred of evidence.

I do know that some day soon old world thinkers like you will have disappeared along with your warrior gods and then maybe, just maybe, mankind can pull itself out of these religious dark ages and shine a light on real human needs other than greed and hate, the glues that seems to bind the religious and political right to tightly to each other.
PS, is your god out helping to kill innocent Lebanese civilians today or is she trying to broker a peace?

Peace to you too my fellow Canadian.

Posted by bleedingheart on August 13, 2006 02:10 PM

blah blah blah.

Posted by deafears on August 14, 2006 06:39 PM




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