TOO EARLY. Tell me this Raymond, what has Gerard promised you that Michael hasn't. But does it really matter which candidate Raymond backs, he has as much credibility as his honorable friend Hedy Fry. But who knows, maybe he will start seeing the way of the light and do something that he should have done long ago but ever had the gut to do: Cross the Floor and Join Tories. You dont got much future nor time left in the party, my old friend.

It never ceases to amaze me how terrified these conservatives are of the new top liberals and their organization, especially of Kennedy (who also surely scares the pants off the NDP) and sometimes Ignatieff. Perhaps they're more frightened of their own vulnerabilities than the media indicates, because all across the Canadian internet they seem to have nothing better to do than to take part in the opposition's leadership race. So much for governing. They can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that the election is over, and if they dont lose the incessant partisanship they've been practicing their government soon will be as well.

Keep firing these shots across the internet. While you do that, Chan and the Liberals will keep working on standing up for BC issues and Canadian values, getting results for our communities, and building a broad and effective grassroots political machine stronger, bigger, and more united than the party's been for over two and a half decades. The Liberals recognize just how dangerous Harper's direction is to traditional Canadian values, and they're working hard to stop him before he really gets started.

" ... Kennedy (who also surely scares the pants off the NDP) ... They can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that the election is over, ...

... Chan and the Liberals will keep working on standing up for BC issues and Canadian values, ... The Liberals recognize just how dangerous Harper's direction is to traditional Canadian values, ... "

Posted by Oh boy, here they go again on May 28, 2006 02:08 AM

Oh brother, Oh boy, you are really deluded. The people who don't understand that the election is over is the Liberals. The other thing they don't understand is that they lost!

Why on earth the NDP should be afraid of Gerrard Kennedy I have no idea. Why Liberals should be confident that they are about to rebuild they party now that they are over $30 million in debt, out of power, and out of patronage, I have even less idea.

Your incantation of the Liberal Party's "values" mantra is a bit dated, given the repudiation of the negative TV ads, especially the military takeover one, and the defection of Emerson so soon after he used that very rhetoric himself. The reason Liberals hate Emerson so much is that he not only betrayed them, he put the lie to their whole "vote strategic" electoral manipulation scam, proving that Liberal talk is just that, talk and nothing more.

The Liberals don't hate Emerson as much as do those simple-minded NDPers who abandoned their so-called principles and betrayed their own party to vote for him strategically in a failed attempt to stop Harper. The same Harper with whom they now co-operate and for whose election they can take the credit since they split the vote against him.

When has Chan ever stood up for BC issues? He couldnt even represent his own riding well. He got re-elected by buying his people off with a cheque from Ottawa. After years in the cabinet, Chan still has no profile whatsoever in his own caucus, and yet he is co-chairing Kennedy's campaign in BC? Once he realizes he is on the wrong side again, payback is gonna hurt real bad. He might as well back Martha Hall Findlay, at least he wont get backlashed with that pick.

"While you do that, Chan and the Liberals will keep working on standing up for BC issues and Canadian values, "

What exactly are those, and what is that the Liberals have kept working on?

"getting results for our communities, and building a broad and effective grassroots political machine stronger, bigger, and more united than the party's been for over two and a half decades."

That's what Mark Marissen and the Dion team are
doing right now. Mark wants his cushy job back.

The Liberals recognize just how dangerous Harper's direction is to traditional Canadian values"

And what might those be? So-called "values" insisted upon by the Liberal party under Trudeau
and Chretien?

"and they're working hard to stop him before he really gets started. "

Too late. Look at the polls (the Liberals seemed to love looking at the polls when they were ahead).

The train has since left the station.

To Budd Campbell,

Don't forget that after the 2004 campaign, Harper said that until someone someday achieves a majority, the fight is not yet won or lost. So you may think the Conservatives have the advantage right now, but that's going to disappear next election and the Liberals WILL return to power united behind our new leader.

I know it's stupid to try to make sense of Steve Hopkins' posts, but this last one is beyond a mere classic. It's so muddled up and contradictory that it's hard to know where to start.

Budd and Steve,

The left needs some degree of unification to fight the hard right in power via Harper.

Pure individualism, regional separtism/division as a national vision, bogus environmentalism, a federal fudget budget... that's what you are getting with Harper.

So, agree where you can.

"Pure individualism, regional separtism/division as a national vision, bogus environmentalism, a federal fudget budget... that's what you are getting with Harper."

Eugene,why do you keep playing the same song and dance? Keep playing the same game of digital tennis?

As far as environmentalism goes, I doubt you're
a pure 100% environmentalist. If you are you wouldn't be using a computer (too many plastics and non recyclable materials). Or watching TV
(same thing). Clothes may not be 100% of 100% cotton. Car isn't 100% environmentally friendly.

The Kyoto Accord is flawed and costly. A "made in Canada" solution would be better.

Liberal materials are not 100% recycled paper.

The federal Liberals were masters at regional seperatism/division. The National Energy Programme and the alienation and ignorance of the west by Chretien and his precedessor Trudeau
are legendary.

Seems that the federal Liberals can't stand to be in opposition. They want their way, and worse
the Chretieniste want their power back.

As do the Martinites.

Time to get the party away from the traditional Liberal spin and go with something new for a change.

if it means spending 4 years in opposition to rebuild our party, so be it. Flush out the old political hacks make a new Liberal Party.

Vote Iggy.

"... So you may think the Conservatives have the advantage right now, but that's going to disappear next election and the Liberals WILL return to power united behind our new leader."

Posted by Jeremy Ingoldby on May 28, 2006 08:42 PM

ROTFLMAO! You've only got $30 million to go to reach daylight and you're talking about winning? This is just too silly for words.

You know, there are some people in the Liberal Party who've been spoiled by business largesse for so damn long that they really don't get it, even now that the money's been cut off and is going to get even tighter. They still think the old "Liberal magic" will just click into play, and away they'll go again with a new Leader. They're forgetting that without money, what Tip O'Neil correctly called the "mother's milk of politics", their leadership race is going to be a crashing bore that no one beyond the party's dwindling membership base pays any attention to.

To be blunt, a Liberal Party that cannot afford to hire their traditional squadrons of nubile cheerleaders to drum up some spontaneous excitement, chanting "He's so exciting, ... it's all so cool, ... Let's Party", there isn't going to be any excitement. And these aspiring model types, while not great intellects, do not work for free.