Juris-my dick-tion!

In this country, there's a supposed to be a strict division of responsibilities between the provincial and federal governments. But it seems that scandal knows no bounds. To wit, provincial New Democrat MLAs David Chudnovsky, Adrian Dix and Gregor Roberston are hosting a public smackdown "for members of the community to share their views" on federal Liberal posterboy David Emerson's decision to defect to the Tories. The following is a copy of the email announcing that event, which was distributed to party members.

Dear New Democrat:

After running on a platform of ethics and accountability in government, Stephen Harper has shocked and outraged supporters and opponents alike over his decision to appoint Liberal defector David Emerson to sit in his Conservative Cabinet.

Jack Layton stated the NDP's position on February 6: "We believe that any MP who crosses the floor should return to their riding and face a by-election. Clearly, Mr. Emerson has taken that decision and if Mr. Harper intends to keep his commitment to make government more accountable, that suggests an appropriate course of action."

As public cries for Emerson's resignation grow, Vancouver-Kingsway-area MLAs David Chudnovsky, Gregor Robertson and Adrian Dix will host a public meeting for members of the community to share their views on Saturday, February 11.

WHERE: Sir Charles Tupper School
419 East 24th Avenue, Vancouver

WHEN: 1:00 to 3:00 pm
Saturday, February 11

Please forward this message and attached poster widely then come out and join the growing chorus of people who think their vote should count for something. Vancouver-Kingsway deserves better!

35 Comments

This Emerson thing is out of hand

Cabinet making is about balancing regional, gender, and minority intersts ..... but its also about having the best people in the right jobs

Whowoudl doubt that this is one of the most crucial ministries

Instead of focusing on Emerson switching parties (full disclosure I and a BC LIB and a Conservative and know David Emerson) why isnt anyone talking about the cabinet role that he went into

There is very little doubt that Emerson (PhD) is one of the smartest (if not the smartest) MP. Also do people remember that he was the president of Canfor.

Can anyone think of any Canadian (much less any of the 308 MPs) who is better qualified to lead our country on the softwood dispute ?

I worked on this file , its unbelievable complex. If you can tell me who would be better I am all ears !!!

The CPC should be talking about his qualifications more and his switching less !

The fact that paid staffers on the NDP and federal Liberals are organizing these protests, etc. takes away a lot of credibility from their cause.

It is wrong to do what he did no matter what the apologists and political hacks say.This is not about the lumber dispute, this is about the democratic process, values, institutions.As well David Emerson is not a god or irreplaceable,but rather an ambitous and by the look of things lately self important, pompous politician.

I am so amused how these ndpers are able to secure school facilities for their shameless meetings. Normally to rent a space with the VSB you have to run through a whole bunch of hurdles, need to have security guards present, get additional insurance and the cost is like $250 a hour for the rental. But if your a member of the NDP, you don't need extra, insurance or secuirty, and forget paying for the meeting room. It is all FREE. What an abuse of our taxpayer dollars.

I applaud the NDP MLA's for setting up a public forum to let people vent their anger.
As for Emerson being the best qualified to deal with the softwood lumber issue, the very fact that he was the past president of CANFOR and is eligible for their pension, may put him at a conflict of interest and might not be able to handle the file after all.

Joe Pestilidio, what a load of crap you post here. Anyone, or any group can rent out a school's gym for a fee...and thanks to BC Liberal mishandling of the education file, school districts are more eager than ever to rent out their facilities to whomever has the cash.
Your anti-NDP rant is so infantile, that you instantly lend credibility to what the area MLA's are trying to do. Great job!

Adrian Dix is a man with a lot of integrity. He shouldn't even been a MLA right now, as he should have been convicted of perjury.

Hey. It's Dagmar.

So what if Emerson has a PhD? I'm not impressed and I don't think I'm the only one. This talk of the whole thing getting out of hand is clearly by a bunch of Liberal freaks and Conservative bobos who have no respect for the Lord, the law, and the workin' man.

I'm glad to see local MLAs Robertson, Chudnovsky, and Dix hosting this meeting which is sure to be a shit-kicking. I want a shit-kicking MLA which is why I vote NDP. Good on them, and glad to see that the shit-kickin' NDP is alive and well despite the attempts by people like Ujjal Dosanjh and Carole James to make the party more co-operative and less 'confrontational' (read: namby-pamby).

The question I have is who paying for the demon dial of Chudnovksy's message that was sent to all residents of Vancouver Kingsway and the rental of the gym. Is it the taxpayers of British Columbia? If it is the taxpayers of BC - then these NDP MLAs will be just as ethically challenged as the man they criticize if not worse.

If the federal NDP is paying for then too that is major ethical violation if not of the federal Elections Act. If Ian Waddell shows up to this event tomorrow then my question will be answered correctly.

I hope my question can be answered truthfully.

I guess the provincial NDP are getting bored of being in the official opposition in Victoria and are trying to find other axes to grind.

I think Gregor is a guy that could pull a Emerson, and join the BC liberals. Gregor doesn't seem like a ndper, doesn't act like one, or dress like one. He is just a nice being pushed into this by "the forger" Adrian Dix and the communist Chudnovsky

Oh give me a break EBS. Harper, Emerson take a steamy dump all over the Conservatives election platform and suddenly its the NDP's fault? Citizens have a right to vent their anger. If the three area MLA's used their own cash for setting up the event, then so be it. I'm not privy to the details of how it was organised, but dammit, this is grassroots democracy and Dix, Chudnovsky and Roberston should be given a medal for it. Bravo!

"This Emerson thing is out of hand."

Yup, that's about right.

Political parties or candidates in Canada should certainly have the right to alter the results of elections any time either feel the results do not meet their expectations.

That's what this action amounts to. The ballot boxes weren't stuffed or switched nor were the electronic voting machines hacked. But the outcome is exactly the same as if one of those things had indeed been done.

The people of Vancouver Kingsway elected a Liberal member of Parliament. A poll done by Mustel Group prior to the election demonstrates that not many knew Emerson's name but almost all knew that their MP was Liberal.

The subversion of the people's will and our democratic institutions continues without a pause.

And that's just fine with far too mnay people.

I am so amused how these ndpers are able to secure school facilities for their shameless meetings. Normally to rent a space with the VSB you have to run through a whole bunch of hurdles, need to have security guards present, get additional insurance and the cost is like $250 a hour for the rental. But if your a member of the NDP, you don't need extra, insurance or secuirty, and forget paying for the meeting room. It is all FREE. What an abuse of our taxpayer dollars.

Posted by Joe Pestilidio on February 10, 2006 03:00 PM

Joe, as you well know, your statements here are bare-faced lies.

The question I have is who paying for the demon dial of Chudnovksy's message that was sent to all residents of Vancouver Kingsway and the rental of the gym. Is it the taxpayers of British Columbia? If it is the taxpayers of BC - then these NDP MLAs will be just as ethically challenged as the man they criticize if not worse.

If the federal NDP is paying for then too that is major ethical violation if not of the federal Elections Act. If Ian Waddell shows up to this event tomorrow then my question will be answered correctly.

I hope my question can be answered truthfully.

Posted by EBS on February 10, 2006 03:59 PM

EBS, you have no idea what your talking about, do you? You're just making things up. What is a "demon dial". What makes you think this is being paid for by taxpayers, except in the sense that MLAs get a budget to spend at their discretion? And so what if Waddell shows up? You're just full of it and you know it.

You should join Derek Raymaker and his silly blog:

http://bornwithatail.blogspot.com/

Hello? Joe, take a deep breath and calm down about the room rental -- your tax dollars are safe! The VSB is now run by the NPA, in case you didn't notice. They are no friends of the NDP and would be the last ones doing any favours to a bunch of NDP MLAs.

...and Hello again! Organizing a meeting to hear concerns that your constituents have been bombarding your office about is now a horrific breach of ethics?? The interesting is that constituents would be so disillusioned with the federal system that they would actually turn to provincial reps for support on a federal matter. Now that's pretty sad!

...and who do Mr. Emerson's friends think is truly going to buy that this is all a storm in a teapot engineered by unethical NDP & Liberal political operatives?? You mean like the 11,000 unethical political operatives who have now signed the petition? Or the 20,000 who voted in the Globe's online poll??

...and since when did having a PhD or being smart excuse political representatives from ethical obligations to their constituents? The arrogance of Mr Emerson's pals forgiving him on our behalf is simply breathtaking!

...and puhhhlleeeze -- enough already about how great the Hon member will do in Ottawa lobbying for softwood lumber, Olympics, pine beetle, Gatway project, etc. If the forestry, development and transportation/construction industries need lobbying support in Ottawa they can hire a registered lobbyist and go through the regular channels like anyone else, instead of hikacking our seat in parliament and stomping on the will of Vancouver Kingsway voters after we made it crystal clear that we did not want a Conservative representing us in Ottawa.

Can we please stop discussing Emerson. The LPCBC is a group of pussies and those NDPers who are delving into federal politics, do what you want, but in two weeks time, Emerson's defection won't be much of an issue. The public has a short memory. Get over it.

The slow, incremental, wilfull degradation of electoral democracy...isn't it fun.


"Emerson's defection won't be much of an issue. The public has a short memory. Get over it."

The particulars of this event will be lost in time but from this point forward Stephen Harper will not be able to look the public in the eye and make that claim he is operating to a higher standard.

Twelve swing ridings will change parliament. Mr. Harper has ticked off BC and Quebec... that's 12 swing ridings right there that are now re-winable for hte NDP and Liberals.

Truly amazing. Emerson was sworn in at 11:23am EST, only 23 minutes into the new government. Only 23 minutes to break a key election commitment.

That must be a record.

Not even Trudeau was that fast off the mark

On Main St. in Vancouver Kingsway they've started putting up posters with David Emerson's picture on it and the words "Judas" printed underneath.

Partisan bickering is just a side show. Every election, sober men and women decide whom they want to represent them in government. For better or worse, they picked David Emerson.

Emerson, like every other member of parliament, must dedicate himself to helping all members of his constituency, whether they are Liberal, Conservative, NDP, or non-aligned.

If he does a good job, he will be re-elected. If he doesn't serve his constituency well, he will be defeated in the next election.

There's really nothing more to it than that.

drip...drip...drip

"Partisan bickering", that's all voting is when all is said and done. We need to move beyond this partisan bickering.

The thing that seems to upset the right of center folks is that the provincial and federal NDP represent folks at both levels of government. Our liberal/socred bunch can't support a particular party federally as they are a mix of cons and liberals. That's not the NDP's fault. Besides our premier has publically supported Emerson for crossing the floor. so is that non partisan or not? During the federal election,the in the trenches NDP, and their MLA's were out in the public supporting the federal wing of the party. Same applies for the federal folks helping out the provincial candidates in a provincial election. I do recall Gordo telling the folks a couple of elections ago that his bunch had no connection to the federal Liberals. Next thing the right of center folks will be comlaining if one identiable union person should show up at a NDP event. get a grip folks.

It's no comfort to see how easily some people will accept having sh*t dumped all over their right to free and fair elections. Is this what British Columbia has come to?

Juris-my dick-tion? Right on. Someone said David Emerson is like a bridegroom stepping into bed on his wedding night ... then hesitating, saying "No, I think I've really always been a woman. See ya!" as he sneaks off. Except David didn't have an explanation ... he just snuck off.

The guy is beneath contempt, as is his Montreal counterpart who couldn't even be bothered to show up for an election ... laughingly telling us he had better things to do! But Stephen Harper made Michael Fortier our Minister of Public Works anyway. And told him to go sit quietly in the Senate while that poor b*astard M.P. from New Westminster-Coquitlam does the P.W. work in the House of Commons for him.

For God sakes, have the courage to call a spade a spade, jettison these freaks and start over properly. Right now, many Canadians would welcome a new election. I'm one of them.

Party politics are meaningless. Candidates designated by party are equally meaningless. Members of Parliament sitting as members of political parties is meaningless.

What has meaning is money. That's all. Everything else is mere pathways to it.

Emerson understands this. He is of this world. He is fooled neither by the illusions of political partisanship nor the false idolatry of bourgeois loyalty. He is not interested in the mere pathways.

He knows the meaning of money.

And he's by god getting his hands on all he can no matter whose shovel he has to steal.

I was always under the opinion that the board of Canfor brought Emerson in to leverage his experience as Deputy Finance Minister in order to wrangle subsidies out of the Government during the various softwood lumber dispute.

Am I missing something or did the guy actually some other use and competence?

Contrary to what a number of commentators on this site apparently wish to believe, the hundreds of people who attended this afternoon's public meeting at Charles Tupper School were not unwitting tools of the NDP. What I observed was a large assembly of ordinary citizens who were rightly outraged at the fraudulent behaviour of their MP. I sat next to a gentleman who introduced himself to me as a life-long Conservative. He was one among many self-declared Conservatives who expressed disgust at Emerson's betrayal of his constituents.

I came away from the meeting convinced that this issue is not going to fade away. It's true, of course, that Canadians pay little attention to politics between elections and that partisan attachments today are weaker than ever. But Emerson's duplicity has profoundly offended the sensibilities of ordinary citizens. He has shown exceptional contempt for his constituents and made a mockery of their democratic rights. This is easily understood by most Canadians, if not by the Board of Trade and some pundits who ought to know better. And it is something that the people will neither forgive nor forget.

Emerson is fast becoming a millstone for the Harper Government not only in Vancouver Kingsway but right across the country. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up inflicting so much damage on the Government that Harper sooner or later pressures him to resign his seat. In the meantime, Harper must be rueing the day he enlisted John Reynolds as a headhunter.

Man, that meeeting must have been a plot of some kind. someone wrote that if Ian Waddell showed up it would clearly identify a link between the federal and provincial wing. Of course there is. I noticed Libby Davies in the front row. Didn't see Emerson because he knows what he did was to benefit him not the voters. And of course Emerson is a real sharp guy because he has a PHD. Get real folks, lots of people have PHD's . Lots of folks from all parties have PHD's. Most arnt slime bag political opportunists like Emerson who spouts out his love for the liberal party but as soon as they lost government, he shows up converted as a new conserative. If he is a smart as some of you say, he surly knew the people were about to elect a minority conservative government, everyone else was of that opinion, so was playing a game. It will be nice when some disgrunted Conservative lets us know just how far before the election was the talking about shifting over to the dark side started. The ex socred, reform ,alliance, conservative John Reynolds was in the mix somehwere. If this Emerson guy gets dealing with other folks around Canadian issues they will be very aware that he can't be trusted. Ergo. In their opinion, Canada can't be trusted. Boy oh boy, we sure end up with some lousy negotiators.

I just saw Emerson on the BCTV 6 o'clock news. They showed him walking through a doorway with a group of people. One of those people looked a lot like Bruce Clark. Did anybody else see this?

seems the new mayor of Vancouver was interviewed this evening and figures, just like Gordo that Emerson will be great to work with. Hold on to your wallet.

Happygolucky, you said it.

This bozo Emerson has been getting far too much credit for far too little other than his ability to reach for the sleeze button at the proper time.

I almost choked reading the above opinions when some winner used that "he was president of Canfor" groaner.

I've managed to make it across the intersection a couple of times today. Elect me, elect me.

Harper's worst nightmare?

What was that turncoat smokin' when he dreamt that one up?

Ignore the apologists and hound this phony until he runs back to the board of trade for instructions on how manufacture an excuse that'll stick.

Caught in traffic, sure!

For Joe Pest and EBS, the NDP representatives also invited community groups and all interested people to attend. I am on two large community coalition mail lists and was forwarded the notice. Also both of you display complete ignorance of these types of impromptu gatherings, so are not in any position to make such a blatantly untrue assumption and cast false aspertions. Taxpayers DO NOT pay for such hall rentals. The hat is passed or there is a collection box should anyone wish to donate funds to cover the cost. Usually folks throw in a buck or two and when everyone chips in costs are covered.

Of prime importance, this is NOT about the NDP, so don't try and smokescreen, this is about voter's democratic choice being abused. 82% of Vancouver-Kingsway voted against the Conservatives, now they find themselves with a Conservative MP because Mr. Opportunist Emerson accepted Harper's offer.

As for Emerson's qualifications...big whoop! The sun does not shine out of his arse. In fact he is more qualified for the corporate boardroom and should stick to it because a true politician is a public servant...willing to work for the good of the commons and the will of the people...of which he knows nothing.

Emerson's words will come back to haunt him because, yes, he is the Conservatives "worst nightmare".

It looks like Premier Campbell and Prime Minister Harper will have to step up the pace a little. They need to get Stephen Owen a major appointment by about May or June so that byelections can be held in Kingsway and Quadra in Sept or Oct. That way, Emerson can run and win in Quadra where he ACTUALLY LIVES, while Waddell, or maybe Glen Clark, can run and win for the NDP in Kingsway.

But Harper and Campbell have to start things happening soon. Leaving it much longer would just add unnecessarily to the pain.

What on earth are the 3 NDP MLA's thinking?? Don't they ever learn that they're using their MLA status to do some political stuff that's none of the province's Official Opposition's business? Don't they ever learn that they're abusing their power just for the sake of their own voting gains? Hell yeah, I don't think I'm gonna vote David Chudnovsky again. My MLA still has his Marxist-Leninist immaturity. When you're in provincial politics, you stay out of federal politics. Seems like the Dix/Chudnovsky/Robertson trio doesn't understand what "taxpayers' money" means.

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