The China Syndrome?

Earlier, we (not to mention the rest of the provincial press pack) reported on provincial New Democrat leader Carole James's pay raise flip-flop. And now, our operatives confirm party MLAs have been notified, within the past couple hours, that there will be an emergency caucus meeting tomorrow night at 6:00. The likely topics of discussion: who thought having the New Democrats vote for the raise with the Liberals was a good idea and why didn't Ms. James notify large swaths of caucus before flip-flopping? Meanwhile, our operatives tell us a number of constituency associations are preparing emergency resolution for next weekend's New Democrat convention, condemning caucus's recent actions.

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Looks like Carole has received her new and revised thought of the day from David Perry. And now she and Perry are going to try and blame someone else for the raise debacle. My money is on them blaming Mike Farnworth. An experienced politician and current House Leader, Farnworth is a convenient scapegoat as he is probably one of the few people who could credibly challenge James' leadership. Or whatever you would call that thing that Carole is doing right now. Is it leadership?

More typical of NDP hypocrisy would be to oppose the raise in debate, vote against it in the Leg and then take the money anyway. If they had taken this approach, the Liberals would never have proposed a raise in the first place. NDP MLAs talk a good game, but it's only talk and talk is cheap.
That being said, a case could be made that by looking out for Number One, they more accurately reflect the values of the average British Columbian. After all, as the BCTF has just demonstrated, the motto of BC is "Where's mine?"

I always said Carole was a wet noodle and look now, Campbell player for a fool. Carole, a hint in opposition - you oppose!

Cry havoc and send in the dogs of war!

Nothing like a lot of sleeze to remind us what BC politics is all about. Credibility is harder to win than to lose and Ms.James has done her best to lose her share. There was lots of time for sober,second thought as she was leaning up against Gordo way before the paper was written. As one guy said this didn't just happen in an hour, it took weeks. wonder what other secret deals are going on right now or has she learned her lesson. don't try to deal inside with Gordo and his advisors. Carol should be looking very closly at those she hired to advise her. A number of heads should be rolling by now, following this juvinile performance. Saying I'm sorry doesn't cut it with most of us including long time NDP members. She will win majority support at the convention but she has lost face big time. The folks with inten to dethrone will be in the aisles.Her caucus according to the premier was fully aware of what was going on so a good sharp shake for them is in order. It's a shame as they were looking so good in the house, but dealing at the same time in the back room. Nice bit of money for folks 7 months on the job considering the 10 percent increase on election. I love the pension. Most of us take 35 years at 2 percent to get the max.

Time to run for a seat somewhere safe and sit back and watch the lolly roll in. Learn to thump the desks and look serious knowing the real stuff is out of sight in the back room.Open government. Forget it.

Carole has, indeed, demonstrated exactly the leadership qualities that I always suspected she had. I could sum it up as "The Answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind."

Her sails are catching the winds of convenience.

Returning the pension was a good idea; getting rid of it made it very hard to attract candidates who weren't already reasonably wealthy, and the severance meant candidates would run in order to lose if they could receive their severance - not good for democracy.

The problem with the raise is that MLAs tend to do this infrequently and in bulk. 15% in a single shot is bound to offend; they would be much better off linking compensation to economic metrics (cost of living etc.) and raising it gradually. Yes it's time consuming job; yes it's hard on familes; yes, it already paid much higher than the provincial average.

"More typical of NDP hypocrisy would be to oppose the raise in debate, vote against it in the Leg and then take the money anyway. If they had taken this approach, the Liberals would never have proposed a raise in the first place. NDP MLAs talk a good game, but it's only talk and talk is cheap."

Posted by Steve Hopkins on November 19, 2005 06:28 PM

Talk is cheap. So says, ... wait for it, ... Steve Hopkins! Everybody make a note of that, highlighting the source.

Steve, are you saying explicitly that the Liberals would NOT have proceeded with the pay raise package without a guarantee of NDP support? I just want to be clear on that. Is that what you're saying, and do you have any Liberal insider information to back that up? If this is a package that the Liberals only believe in if the NDP supports it, does that mean the Liberals are, by your calculation, hypocritical?

I support the MLA pay raise, but I think it was handled in a way that attracts more suspicion than understanding, something that deJong and Farnworth will have to think about mighty hard. It should have been announced a month ago and not voted on until after the civic elections.

And if this Liberal Govt agrees with me that MLAs deserve an 11% pay hike, then what is Fin Min Carole Taylor going to announce as the new "wage mandate" for provincial and local public sector bargaining???

Even a man as flippant and electorally fixated as Steve Hopkins must realize that the party politics here are soon going to become irrelevant as hundreds of thousands of public sector workers collective agreements expire next year. Is Steve really thinking that Carole Taylor can now announce another package of 0%-0%-0%? Or is big Steve going to allow that possibly teachers and nurses and civil servants might be in line for, say 1%-1%-1%? Steve, try 2.5%-2.5%-2.5%, IOWs, what your own federal Liberals have been settling for.

Too bad about Jimbo the Hutt, Budd. All you Visionaries were miles wide of the mark. Personally, I think the Hutt deserves some kind of reward for destroying COPE. Maybe a Senate appointment or something along those lines. Better luck next time.
Talk is cheap, but not as cheap as it used to be. As history has shown (as recently as last Thursday), NDP politicians are nothing but empty words. Crocodile tears for dead children while they dig hard for the cash with both hands behind closed doors.
What's worse, a secret deal to line their pockets at the expense of abused children and frozen, rolled-back or laid-off public employees, or to pretend to oppose the raise during debate and votes and then pocket it anyway? Try to convince me that they're not just in it for the money.

"Too bad about Jimbo the Hutt, Budd. All you Visionaries were miles wide of the mark. Personally, I think the Hutt deserves some kind of reward for destroying COPE. Maybe a Senate appointment or something along those lines. ..."

Are you serious? Are the Liberals really thinking of a Senatorial or other appointment for Jim Green? Dop you or your wife have this on good authority?

BTW, what's the origin of this "Jimbo the Hutt" nickname?

"Talk is cheap, but not as cheap as it used to be. As history has shown (as recently as last Thursday), NDP politicians are nothing but empty words. Crocodile tears for dead children while they dig hard for the cash with both hands behind closed doors."

Excuse me, Steve, but where are the crocodile tears coming from? Wasn't it your Liberals who closed down the Office of Children's Commissioner after making a big issue of child deaths while in Opposition? The dishonesty of you and your wife is sometimes funny, ... but sometimes not. Voting for the pay increase was a mistake, but it doesn't in any way detract from the serious critique that Adrian Dix has offered on this issue, as you and your wife well know.

"What's worse, a secret deal to line their pockets at the expense of abused children and frozen, rolled-back or laid-off public employees, ... "

That's a barefaced lie Steve. Typical of you. Typical of Star Loser Shirley. It's pure, raw, unadulterated fabrication. It was that kind of gutless dishonesty that caused her highly touted campaign in Vancouver East to implode so completely. Keep it up Steve, you too are headed for another rocky crash with political reality the next time either of you run for something.

Anyone seen a posting lately from RepWetDream or Sleeps?

Could he/she be lost in a dumpster behind the Jolly Taxpayer after crying in his/her beer over the annihilation of COPE and Mr. Green?

If found, please send to Budd for some comfort.

I think the people who were drinking too much on election nite were most likely Liberals like Steve Hopkins. His idiotic rantings about "Jimbo" are kind of hard to explain if you're assuming sobriety.

That's the NDP for you. Magnanimous in victory, gracious in defeat. The only time I heard the Port Mann bridge mentioned during the civic campaign was in Budd's rambling diatribes.
The only drinking I did on Saturday night was a farewell toast to the Hutt. Maybe he'll get a taste of all that money the NDP caucus sucked out of the treasury as a consolation prize. Special advisor to the Leader of the "Opposition" on how to lose with class, maybe. Or perhaps a digital soapbox at the Tyee.
The pay raise shouldn't come as such a surprise to those who climb into bed with the condo and casino industries. They should know better than anyone that the House always wins.

... Maybe he'll get a taste of all that money the NDP caucus sucked out of the treasury as a consolation prize. Special advisor to the Leader of the "Opposition" on how to lose with class, maybe. Or perhaps a digital soapbox at the Tyee.
The pay raise shouldn't come as such a surprise to those who climb into bed with the condo and casino industries. They should know better than anyone that the House always wins."

Steve, did your Liberals vote for the pay increase? Are you in favour of it? Is Shirley in favour of it?

What kind of "compensation mandate" is Fin Min Carole Taylor going to announce in February, and how will the MLA pay raise issue affect that?

Your school yard malarkey tells any reasonable person a great deal about the demise of your wife's candidacy last year. With you ruining things, there wasn't much left for her to trash.

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