What phones are for

Earlier, Public Eye reported the British Columbia New Democrat's provincial council will be discussing a proposal that could reduce the number of labour movement delegates at convention. So is that compromise a big win for party leader Carole James? That seems to be the spin twisting around the corridors of the legislature. But that heroic tale has gotten some members of the labour movement a bit hot and heavy. Said one well-placed union insider: "That's not what happened. (British Columbia Federation of Labour leader Jim) Sinclair brokered the deal. Carole couldn't get (the majority report) past convention. So we said, 'First of all, we won't back down. If you think we're going to go to convention and then curl up like a possum it's not going happen. So you sit down and make a deal.' They refused. And it looked like the ship was sailing. And Sinclair pulled it out of the fire. That's what happened. The affiliates have agreed to this. There's no opposition at this point. The affiliates are going to pass (the compromise proposal)."

Added the insider, "I understand wanting to come out and raise the flag and say this is a victory for Carole. And, at the same time, acknowledging there has been fundamental change in the party. But frankly, they were fucked...It's almost a question of audacity. The political staff in Victoria needs to learn that phones aren't just for ordering sushi...They don't seem to know how to talk to people who generally support them."

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Thank you, Sean for your public service announcement (Phones aren't just for ordering sushi).

To David Perry and Raj Sihota, this likely will be news.

This whole debacle and the way in which traditional NDP support has been alienated is so typical of this crowd. Speaking metaphorically, it's time for some heads to roll. Speaking specifically, time to sack caucus staff and senior party staff immediately.

What a gong show.

The entire labour movement is distracted with the fight between the teachers and the Liberals and the NDP Leader's office can't even get one constituency to pass a motion in support of the Majority report.

Meanwhile, the labour movement still has time to fight the Liberals, organize regional shut downs and vote on Vince Ready's recommendations - and get six constituencies to pass resolutions against the majority report. They even get two passed by ridings held by NDP Mla's.

Seeing that her leadership was about to be severely damaged at convention with the defeat of the majority report, Sinclair reaches out and proposes a settlement that will keep labour happy and save face for carol.

No doubt this compromise cost him with those unions who worked so hard to teach the folks in Victoria a lesson they wouldn't forget. But for the good of the party and the labour unions, he fought for the constituency model.


So what does he get for this high road approach? Victoria Caucus Spin sent to Vaughn Palmer that includes attacking his good friend Steve Hunt as a dinosaur.

The folks in Victoria are pissing on the very people that are going to be needed before 2009. I wouldn't be surprised if the labour movement leaves the NDP and takes it chances with STV.

"The following resolutions, each dealing specifically with options for the Party regarding affiliation, have not yet been prioritized. Recommendations on the priority listing of these 'affiliation resolutions' will be made after the Provincial Council meeting of October 29, 2005, so that their ranking may be informed by the discussions and/or instructions of Provincial Council. If necessary, CPAC will meet again after October 29, 2005 to finally process these resolutions."
Constitution and Party Affairs Committee


D2005-XX Affiliation
WHEREAS Labour and the NDP have worked together to improve the lives of ordinary British Columbians; and

WHEREAS the benefits of working together were shown in the 2005 election by a tenfold increase in seats; and

WHEREAS the Party was reduced to winning two seats in the 2001 election when Labour did not fully support the campaign; and

WHEREAS criticism of the BC NDP/Labour coalition only comes from the right wing media who fail to criticize the Liberal/Corporate coalition;

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the BC NDP and Labour continue to be affiliated and that Labour continue to be involved at the executive level; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the BC NDP and Labour continue to work together; and

BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that the BC NDP and Labour continue to work towards the goal of improving the lives and working conditions of all British Columbians.

Mount Waddington North Vancouver Island District Labour Council

D2005-XX Labour
WHEREAS organized Labour in the province of BC has for more than 100 years supported the programs advocated by the NDP, not just as members but for the community as a whole; and

WHEREAS organized Labour in the province of BC supported and assisted in the organization of the CCF and the NDP; and

WHEREAS organized Labour in the province of BC provides great support for the NDP;

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the NDP of BC in convention reaffirm its bond with organized Labour.
Penticton Okanagan Valley

D2005-XX Labour Affiliation
WHEREAS a resolution passed at the 2003 NDP Convention was not intended to exclude or disaffiliate Labour; and

WHEREAS the task force committee has been unable to come to consensus and/or compromise on this important issue;

THERFORE BE IT RESOLVED that this Convention re-affirm its affiliation to the Labour movement; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the NDP and Labour leaderships meet with the intent to come to consensus on affiliation.

South Okanagan Boundary Labour Council

D2005-XX Affiliation
WHEREAS this is a very controversial and potentially divisive issue; and

WHEREAS contemplation of the impact of any significant change is a complicated matter;

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that this matter be continually discussed and debated and not be brought forward for Constitutional amendment until the 2007 Convention.

Abbotsford Clayburn

D2005-XX Labour Affiliation
WHEREAS a resolution passed at the 2003 convention was intended to exclude or severe relationships with Labour; and

WHEREAS the task force committee has not been able to come to a consensus and/or compromise on this issue; and

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that this constituency urge the BC NDP and Labour to meet with the intent to come to consensus on this critical issue.

Penticton Okanagan Valley

D2005-XX Affiliation
WHEREAS this is a very controversial and potentially divisive issue; and

WHEREAS contemplation of the impact of any significant change is a complicated matter; and

WHEREAS both the majority and the minority reports are unacceptable to this Executive;

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that this matter be continually discussed and debated for Constitutional amendment to the 2005 Provincial Convention.

Surrey Newton

"The folks in Victoria are pissing on the very people that are going to be needed before 2009. I wouldn't be surprised if the labour movement leaves the NDP and takes it chances with STV"

I hope so. Thats what some of us involved with STV were saying, you could break down some of the huge umbrella parties, and get a really representative government. Instead of playing all these games pretending to be the center, with others hands in your back pockets.

How many time does David Perry have to screw things up before he is fired for sheer incompentence?

Let's review:

-He and Carole James come out with their majority report. They refuse to negotiate on it. Then they fuck up and can find any support in Constituencies or within Caucus for their position. Labour takes the high road. Works out a compromise. Then Perry and Co. insult them in Palmer's column.

This on top of the fact that question period blows, they missed the boat on the teachers issue and are about a month behind on Terasen.

It's time for the self-important Leg. gang to get the boot.

Well, "Ted" and "How many?", it looks like you too are extremely well informed insiders. [HINT: The operative phrase is "looks like"!]

It's also quite apparent that you two are involved in a little bit of Internet street theatre. The so-called compromise proposal is in fact much more radical than the majority report. All this chatter about how Sinclair crafted this compromise, in between major bouts of Atlas-like Heavy lifting on other matters, is really good propaganda. Why, it's on the same level as TV ads proclaiming BC the "best place on earth!!!".

But it looks to me like the whole party, labour included, has been setup, charging various open doors on the way to One Member, One Vote. If your good friend Steve Hunt is in favour of one member one vote, great, everyone's happy and Carol has achieved a complete reform of the party. The only cost is that Sinclair is to be officially credited with this achievement while she and other party staff close to her are denounced in these widely read Internet forums.

Go for it "ted", ... keep on rolling, "How many?" I am sure that David Perry is just shaking at the thought that you two unnamed co-conspirators have the balls to crawl out into the ether and use his name to try to give yourselves some kind of credibility.

Sounds like a lot of very bitter people crying 'sour grapes' didn't get their way and are now randomly headhunting David Perry and Raj Sihota.

Labour as a whole is not pissed off. If you were an insider, you would know that. There are few, loud voices such as the whiners here, but that's about it.

A great step in democracy within the party is happening, and many people (including affiliated and non-affiliated unions) are happy about that.

Further, I would love to see the Liberals do the same by telling corporations and their executives that they won't be controlled by them anymore. Fat chance.

It will be a very long time before the Liberals answer only to citizens.

This is all foolish nonsence...Unions are political...they have influenced many laws garnered for workers over the years...they can not be separated. They can and should support any political party that engages and promotes human workers struggles for better working conditions. Accept it, they are fundamentally political!

It is no accident that in 2002, the Funcky Vacnouver Crowd led COPE to victory only to have the party turn inward not two years later and rip itself apart.

It is no coincidence that many of the same people are now presiding over internal anarchy in the NDP.

Perhaps it's because they're incompetent. Maybe it's because they treat people badly.

Either way, they've gotta go. When you want something done, you go to the organ grinder, not the Moncky!

True that!

People are practically yelling for the removal of Sihota and Perry.

But people are also whispering too, namely about removing the ineffective leader.

Your impression that there is a large number calling for the removal of Sihota and Perry is false.

Again, you are an idiot if you assume that a vocal micro-minority constitutes a majority.

That is almost the first lesson to learn when in politics.

If one listened to 5 loud mouths when trying to represent thousands, then i would say your are not very representative at all.

it's okay to be hateful and spiteful, I just don't think others should fall victim to and be duped by your bullshit.

One thing I have to say in support of the NDP, is that James is looking like a fairly effective leader after the likes of Dosanjh or that idiot Clark.

David Perry needs to go. He tried to take on Labour and we whacked him. Then he came crying to us and we gave him a compromise so he and Carole could save face. Then he refers to the thousands of union members in this party as dinosaurs. Carole needs to discipline him NOW. He can't do anything right, except guide this party to disaster. Look at the bang-up job he did of guiding Joy MacPhail's 99 leadership run!

And to Bill above, it's more than a few people who feel this way. It's this province's labour movement and many MLAs and party members.

Well, Bill, it seems that YOU are the one talking to a small group of five people. This is typical of the Vancouver Chattering Monckys, too.

The reality is that those in the know have gotten fed up with the useless Perry/Sihota crowd that is running the party into the ground. A true test of Carole's leadership will be for her to get rid of them. At least the Perry/Sihota crew and the Monckys gotta go. If Carole is smart and realizes this and gets rid of them, then end of story. If she doesn't, the calls will get louder for her to go as well.

Yeah, Carole's looking real good... uh... kinda like Mike Harcourt... we all know how that turned out...

Yes, EE, we know how that turned out. Majority government, followed by a resignation forced by crooked dealing he had nothing to do with. Then they got a good ironworker organizer in there, Glen, who had this brilliant idea about building an aluminum shipbuilding industry....

Union Man...

you can't seriously suggest that the labour movement supports your views. First of all, the labour movement as a whole doesn't agree with each other on anything when it comes to the NDP.

In fact, they were even split on the majority report.

I, also am a union man, dues paid, and I support the direction Carole James is taking on this.


to be honest, so does most of the membership and MLA's of the party, because this was on her platform when she ran for leader, and she won. That's measurable - your insinuation isn't.

No secrets here. The membership spoke.

Actually you are grossly incorrect.

1. Carole didn't run on a platform of ending union affiliation when she won the leadership. One of her opponents did, though, and her campaign derided her for it.

2. Even if Carole had run on this platform, the membership of the party then was 10,000. Now it's tripled. You have no way of knowing that the current membership supports Carole's direction, or even Carole. Maybe it's time for a leadership review.

3. Your suggestion that you speak for the majority of union members or the majority of party members is ludicrous. That's what you get, I guess, when you talk to the same 5 people over Thai Food in Vancouver.

Bill is right. Carole James was elected leader of our party in 2003 because CUPE BC, BCGEU, UFCW and CEP supported her. Good job Carole! No kick out those lousy union members who won you the party leadership.

The sad truth is that David Perry is the de-facto leader of the BC NDP. Carole James shows absolutely no leadership, she simply does what David Perry does her; to the detriment of the NDP Party and the re-election chances of NDP MLAs.

TOO FUNNY!!!

But true...

If it weren't for union money and organization, Carole wouldn't have won the leadership in the first place. She didn't win because of her new ideas (she had none) or her charisma.

And even then, she barely won the leadership!

"Then they got a good ironworker organizer in there, Glen, who had this brilliant idea about building an aluminum shipbuilding industry...."

Posted by John Savory at October 28, 2005 01:55 PM

Basically it was a good idea at the time. It was an attempt to modernize the BC shipbuilding sector and get it into some new markets. It's not just low wage countries like Korea and China in this field, Australia has been building fast cats too.

But the Federal Government wouldn't support it because their Ontario power base has decreed that Canadian shipbuilding will be an East Coast venture to support the Maritimes. BC's supposed regional Minister, David Anderson, also wouldn't support the venture, refusing any federal support in aluminum welding training solely because he, like you, despised Glen Clark because of his working class origins.

Talk about Class Warfare, ... Anderson was a master practitioner, ... rather like Darlene Marzarri come to think of it.

"David Perry needs to go. He tried to take on Labour and we whacked him. Then he came crying to us and we gave him a compromise so he and Carole could save face. Then he refers to the thousands of union members in this party as dinosaurs."

Posted by Union Man at October 28, 2005 01:26 PM

From what you say, can we take it for granted that you no longer support the compromise proposal because, you claim, Perry made this "dinosaur" remark to Palmer. What proof is there that Perry said this?

I do not eat Thai food in Vancouver or sip cappucinos with Perry or Sihota.

I am a Union Man.

Carole is not kicking out the unions. That statement is a complete bastardization of what has happened. She is trying to achieve democracy within the party - something Unions have supported through history.

Everyone who didn't have their ears and eyes closed knew that Carole intended to reform the party.

Steve "I'll do whatever Union Beauracrats tell me to do" Orcherton got stomped. Partially because he was the only one who thought the status quo was fine and dandy. Partially because he's not very swift.

The unions that supported Carole predominantly support this compromise.

Carole and company have done a huge job bringing this party back up, and that is both formidable and beyond what anyone expected was possible. It was old school, status quo politics that controlled Clark in doing a fromidable job at turning the party to shit. I mean geez...who's right and who's wrong here? Give me anything but the old way of doing things!

I don't drink cappucino, but if I have to in order to avoid a do-over of Clark's awful reign, I'll gladly start.

Geez, some of the folks on this forum probably look at the Clark years as the good old days of the NDP.

"t was old school, status quo politics that controlled Clark in doing a fromidable job at turning the party to shit. I mean geez...who's right and who's wrong here? Give me anything but the old way of doing things!"

Bill, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. Glen Clark tried to modernize the party and the ideologues and purists, some from labour, some from the Kitsilano cafe society crowd, all conspired against him. They had been spoiled rotten under five years of Mike Harcourt and John Pollard, and they weren't going to give up their perks and get down to serious political slogging for anything. That's why the NDP went down so hard.

I don't see why everyone here is whining about Carole and her team. They took us from 2 seats to 33. This party is now on the cutting edge. We are taking a big step for democracy and moderation by removing union influence. Let's be frank, Perry et all are right. Labour Bureaucrats like Steve Hunt and the BC Fed are dinosaurs. They want to see no change in the party. Carole and her staff team are doing a fine job. Not like the Clark administration, where the staff and MLAs moved from disaster to disaster. The party left that behind when we elected Dosanjh our leader and now we are continuing to move forward with Carole and her team.

Sheesh...I guess this is what happens when you let former MLAs run again!

As long as big Unions control the NDP, they will never get my vote. Simple. I believe too much in democracy, too.

With this new deal, I find for the first time in years there is potential for an alternative to Campbell and his gang (who it has grieved me to have to support in the last three elections).

Though I can't agree with Bill's insinuation that Carole is still that great of a leader, she is certainly an improvement and it seemed pretty obvious to me at the time of your leadership race that Carole and Nils were both about taking the party in this new direction. I would also agree that that Orcherton guy from Victoria is not very 'swift' and that he was towing the old Union control line.

though Big business may, ingeneral, financially support the Libs, at least they don't get a huge block vote at conventions. I mean, it just seems so ridiculous.

It has always seemed so absurd to me, no matter what the history, that Unions get so much of a block vote of a party that gives so much air time to the principles of democracy.

David Perry, the same guy who ran MacPhail's shitty leadership run in 99?

The same guy who would look at you with a straight face and tell you she would win?

The same guy who brought MacPhail over to Dosanjh and helped Ujjal and his buddies screw over Corky and steal the leadership through fake members?

The same guy who couldn't put together a half-decent question period if his life depended on it?

The same guy who fucked up the labour affiliation vote, and had to get Carole to beg Sinclair and the Fed for a compromise?

Ohhhhh, that David Perry!

What a bizarre interpretation of David Perry.

To 'E'

As long as the coporations run the liberal party...they won't get my vote!!

A bizarre interpretation? Seems right on the mark for me.

David Perry has got to go, as does Raj Sihota and anyone from this despised Vancouver crowd that hasn't already been sent packing.

The NDP performance has been dismal and someone has got to be fired over this.

Actually, Budd, the fast ferry plan was a stupid idea, with no business plan, and that's why it blew up like a novelty cigar. Government doesn't build industry, markets do. I don't "despise" Glen Clark, I think he was reckless and wrong. He tried to work from the jobs out instead of the market in, which I submit was a function of his background in the industrial union movement.

When you believe that the only source of wealth is taking it away from the rich, you fail, because that's another stupid idea. This is the heart of the debate about unions running a political party. Pardon me if this is space is just for party true believers.

Actually, Budd, Dosanjh and Clark were stupid ideas.

But I am very quizzical at Benny's statement that the NDP's performance has been dismal.

I have voted Lib for the last 3 elections, and I don't think anyone can say the NDP didn't kick their ass beyond expectation on election night nevermind dominated them in and out of the Legislature since the election.

Regardless of the fact that the Libs beat the NDP, the NDP were the ones celebrating.

James has turned the party around remarkably well, and if she succeeds at reforming their internal issues with labour, I will likely be switching my vote to her camp. The current Liberals don't seem to have learned their lesson, and there's not much more I can take.

Sellout Sinclair sells out ANOTHER union. He needs to GO!!!!!!!

Actually, Budd, the fast ferry plan was a stupid idea, with no business plan, ... Government doesn't build industry, markets do....He tried to work from the jobs out instead of the market in, which I submit was a function of his background in the industrial union movement.

When you believe that the only source of wealth is taking it away from the rich, you fail, because that's another stupid idea. This is the heart of the debate about unions running a political party. Pardon me if this is space is just for party true believers."

Posted by John Savory at October 28, 2005 05:37 PM

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you John. You make up straw men, then denounce them. Claiming that Clark ignored markets or was some kind of class warrior is, as you well know, completely and utterly false. His subsequent business career proves that conclusively, as any school kid can figure for themselves. Why John do you keep peddling bits of misinformation that are so transparently false? To succeed, you need some fresh lies that haven't been shot through yet.

The lack of a "business plan" was the excuse the Feds used not to support the training component, thus saddling those costs onto the boats themselves. But it's just an excuse, since any Gucci loafered MBA can put together any business plan you want with made up numbers and who's the wiser? In any developmental or experimental context, be it university research, industrial R&D, Bombardier's aircraft, or fast ferries, there is an element of risk. The Federal Liberals, for purely political reasons, opposed the project with all their might. And the market turned down for these types of craft, and the local press, which normally boost projects, decided to be relentless critics. So yes, things didn't go as hoped for. This is the fault as much of the projects opponents as it supporters, at least to any rational and fair minded individual.

The Auditor General did make one valid criticism, that the routes to Vancouver Island weren't really long enough to take full advantage of a HSFerry, wherever built. But the rest of the attack on this project is pure politics, pure deception.

budd,you need help,glenn clark and the gang of 6,,you no them,,sacked harcourt,,the only ndp leader i would of voted for,,all for the price of self gratifying power,,i witnessed it, swhifture lounge, and trophys,, grand pacific..
but did the power boy listen to the critics?no way,, let the gravy roll,,.
i personnally no people that built the boats,, there response was,,[ no one no,s what the fucks going on]thats why the new ferries are being built in germany,, pure shitty politics ,, NDP STYLE...

You're a real master of the universe, ain't you, Budd? The fact that the boats were wholly unsuited to the route they were built for was only the most obvious mistake. (I particularly liked when seals were sucked into the Fast Cat intake and turned into seal-and-seaweed milk shakes. How to bag that green vote!)

And wow! You can read my mind, and magically divine that I despise the working class, when in fact I am a product of it. But my kid is studying business, and she reads to me out of her textbooks, eh?

I'll type this slowly so you can follow along. There. Was. No. Business. Plan. Glen was running from one public relations announcement to the next, announcing vapourware policies like that one, just trying to be the most popular guy in the room. He was great at that. Problem was he sucked at everything else.

His subsequent business career? "President" of 24 Hours? Give me a break.

Not that I don’t enjoy some good internal lefty infighting, however I think this entire distance the NDP from Big labor debate is an overblown waste of time. Aside form the obvious infighting and division it creates, what does it gain for the NDP ?

The NDP has managed to form government and recover form near annihilation with the involvement of big labor. Likewise, should Carole James succeed, is she seriously thinking people will rush out and convert to the socialist dogma? Not likely. And should she fail, her own leadership abilities come into question.

Why waste your time on a dual downside deal?

And lastly to Bud, just when I think you are starting to sound credible you come back and remind us all that your morning glass of milk comes from your cat. How long will you keep those candles burning on your altar for Glen?

thanks kevin,budds allright, you just have to wake him up once in a while, all i can say is things are good,, if uu want to contribute,,
glenn

I supported, voted and campaigned for Mike Harcourt as my mayor and MLA because we wasn't totally beholden to the big unions - if Carole James can return the NDP to the same scenario the chances of me suporting the NDP in the future will increase immensely given my distate for the Liberals social policies.

Holy Ratzinger, how in hell could anybody develop a calm and steady leadership team with this kind of yipping and yapping rending the air?

Anybody (except Budd Campbell) consider s*u*p*p*o*r*t ... or ... c*o*o*p*o*e*r*a*t*i*o*n for a new leader?

Go ahead. Take a minute to study those words. Then shut the fu** up and get with the team.

good point 101,, but we all no carole james is just another puppet.
since we,ve thawed from 10 years of social engineering,lets spend some money on people that need help,,,
yours truly , gordo xx oo

Why are we blasting Carole since we know that the real leader of the NDP right now is David Perry?

First, we need to get rid of the puppetmaster.

Savory

Again your ignorance of the facts betrays you.
Never mind all your other lame pronouncements, Glen Clark is far more than just the president of 24 hours magazine. That is only one small part of his management duties. You would know that if you had a clue about anything other than what Canwest wants you to know.

Let's see. 3 seats to 33 seats. Higher share of the popular vote than Harcourt or Clark got. Membership over 35K. Caucus functioning and working together as a team. Came out of the teachers strike unscathed and got labour and the party factions to swallow a deal on affiliation. Where's the problem? What's not to like? Stop the Whining, Get a life.

Hates Whiners comment makes more sense than most of the stuff being peddled on this article. Mind you gordo and gang upset a great number of folks first time around so the numbers were going up. Even with that the NDP Caucus is a force now and have some excellent debaters. Their research staff is pretty hot as well.
It's sort of facinating to see the government front beanch fall over themselves in question period and in estimates. They got used to having things their way with limited opposition. Differnt times so they best get to know their own ministies or will keep showing egg on face tendancies. TO see a Labour Minister stand up in the hose and tell folks Ready wasn't working along with government on the teachers strike, when most thinking people knew they were was misleading and insulting to those who pay the wages. Ready made his mandate clear when he produced his report. he of course had his job changed prior to the questions to the minister. More egg, and the minister is a lawyer so should know better.
Family and Children minister is another example of an inept person trying damage control. There of course are others in the same fix.

Gordo doesn't answer questions but thumps his desk a lot

"I'll type this slowly so you can follow along. There. Was. No. Business. Plan". Thanks very much, John. As I tried to tell you earlier, this point is of zero substance. Business plans are for people who have no business instincts and need some cover statements to justify their actions. Real entrepreneurs never use them. They are bureaucrat/accountant cover-your-ass documents, not decision making documents.

3 seats to 33? All because of Carole. It wasn't because people were pissed off at Campbell. It wasn't because in a few key swing ridings the Liberals were woefully organized. Nah, it was because people LOVED Carole and her TEAM. Team Perry/Sihota/Perchall/Bieber are going to take this party to victory. Too bad that victory will be in 2046.

Pick a team....

Yes she did, no he didn't ... Me good, You bad ... Jeez ... come across with an idea, why not. Yipping and yapping just causes headaches. Sit. Stay.

Then read what David Shreck has to say today about the further privatization of B.C. Hydro.

Hey, wasn't David Schreck on the Hydro Board when they tried to build a power plant in Pakistan?

Oh yeah, right he was. Along with Adrian Dix. And we should listen to his sage advice on Hydro for what reason?

"Hey, wasn't David Schreck on the Hydro Board when they tried to build a power plant in Pakistan?

Oh yeah, right he was. Along with Adrian Dix."

How could that be? Schreck was an MLA, and Dix was a ministerial assistant. How could they have also been a Crown Corp Director?

Uh, because they were appointed by Mr. Clark. MLA's were routinely appointed to boards, political staff less often, but government MLA's were on many boards during that period, rightly or wrongly.

Anyhoo, Messr's Dix and Schreck were there and did a bang up job, don't you think!

Just google it and see what you see.

What the hell do ex BC Hydro board members have to do with the current drive by Gordon Campbell to sell our profitable public institutions to Republican owned companies?

I'm sorry, where is BC Hydro for sale? Hell, I'd like a piece of that action.

The fact is, it ain't and it never has been.

Back office stuff being contracted isn't a sale. Hydro isn't for sale.

But it is a great rumour to keep the torch burning for the left and money flowing to fronts for the IBEW and BCFED.

Repubwetdream is no better than Ann Coulter frankly. Just a hysterical rant from the opposite side of the spectrum with little or no fact upon which to base their conspiracy theories. Just scream "liberal" or "neo-con" depending on the audience, sit back and watch the hand wringing and hair pulling.

I'm sorry for you Sorry

Keep your head in the sand...it might help you from keeping it stuck up your ass.

Slowly but surely Gordon Campbell is following the Thatcher/Reagan playbook. His Republican Party friends won't be happy until they own BC's best public utilities outright.

Denying it doesn't mean it's not true.

Uh, because they were appointed by Mr. Clark. MLA's were routinely appointed to boards, political staff less often, but government MLA's were on many boards during that period, rightly or wrongly.

Anyhoo, Messr's Dix and Schreck were there and did a bang up job, don't you think!

Just google it and see what you see.

Posted by ohyeahtheywerethere at October 31, 2005 01:29 PM

Really, ... well that's strange. Becuase when Shreck was an MLA, Harcourt was Premier, except for the last few months. So if Schreck was a Director he must have been appointed on Harcourt's watch.

Who appointed Dix? What dates did Dix and Schreck serve as Directors? And what is the project you talked about earlier?

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