That is disgusting and horrible and Green should offer an unqualified apology. To equate the two belies a very strange mindset.

Trivializing a historical atrocity of this magnitude in order to attack an opponent in a election campaign is both insulting and the height of poor judgment. In my opinion this seriously calls into question Green's fitness for office. What the hell was he thinking?

Get off your high horse! Green explained himself, and acknowledges that he may have gone a little overboard in his commentary.

But to suggest that Green is unfit for office as a consequence of the comment he made is just a bit rich given the series of gaffes made by Sam Sullivan lo these many weeks.

Green unfit for the Mayor's chair. I think not. Sam Sullivan wears that mantle just fine.

Wow. Really disappointing to see the vision/cope thugs out there trying to defend the indefensible. Green's explanation is woefully inadequate. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

Green is of the same generation as me, and for people my age there was a time when the Hitler metaphor was used more freely that what is now considered acceptable. I guess Jim was just lapsing back a little.

In any case, when is someone, anyone, going to get the bottom of the Leung-Herbert contretemps and find out what, ... if anything ... actually happened. And what are Leung's views at this point in time (to borrow a hackneyed phrase not used outside the political arena).

So Ronald Leung is homophobic? What else is new?

He doesn't give a damn about Vancouver. He doesn't even live here!

Why doesn't he run where he lives? Just because he works in Vancouver and runs a radio show talking/catering to xenophobic people who live in the lower mainland, does that mean he cares about Vancouver?

At least Jim lives in Vancouver and gives a damn about Vancouver!

An unfortunate slip of the tongue Jim, but I think it is a fair comparison. Homophobic equates to a phobia against a class of people even if people aren't killed in this example, they are vilified.

Don't apologize, you've got nothing to apologize for.

First off, WTF was Green doing bringing Hitler into the debate? He (Green, not Hitler) is experienced enough to know that Hitler comments always boomerang.

Secondly, if Green was having some compulsive moment where he couldn't stop himself from bringing up Hitler's name: Why didn't he concentrate on Hitler's extermination of gays? At least that would have been on target.

Finally, It is fair game to bring up a person's (Leung's, Green's... whoever's) past public comments about issues that may come before council.

Green's comments, when read together with his explanation, are pardonable. But his reaction raises an interesting point.

Green's choice of words are unfortunate in the extreme. It appears he was trying to convey the point that one's personal opinions can and should have an impact on one's fitness to hold office. Fair point. But his poor choice of example speaks volumes about his strategy in labelling Mr. Leung and, by implication, Mr. Sullivan.

The response of many, including it seems Mr. Green, is to label Mr. Leung a harmful bigot (or worse). But Mr. Leung has not acted as a harmful bigot, nor has he espoused horribly bigotted (sp?) views. To the contrary, this blog and others have explained Mr. Leung's opposition to the idea of same-sex marriage. As many have pointed out, this is an opinion shared by many. Unlike many others who can and should be labelled as harmful bigots, he's not damning gays, lesbians, bi- and trans-sexuals, he's not demanding a repeal of legislation, he's not speaking violence. He's expressing his - relatively - moderate thoughts and feelings. Thoughts and feelings shared by a number of supporters of Green, COPE and the NPA.

In the interests of full disclosure, I too am "opposed" to same-sex marriage. More accurately, I'm just made uncomfortable by it. But I recognise that it is now the law of the land, and I have to accept it. Mr. Leung has made similar explanatory comments. Same-sex marriage certainly doesn't harm me and I'm frankly not worked up about it.

One important caveat. I say all of this as a non-Chinese speaker, so I haven't the benefit of Mr. Leung's radio comments made when he was a Chinese radio host. If someone who does speak the language has specific examples of vitriol spewing forth from Mr. Leung, I;d hope this would be shared with the public at large. To date, however, no such comments have been reported.

By using this sort of insensitive, ill advised language, Jim Green is simply reinforcing his image as a polarizing force who divides everywhere he goes. Don't take my word for it, ask David Cadman and cope who were left holding the bag on the 2002 election debt when mean Jim Green split off to form his own party.

Green's law of Debate
Anything is possible if you don't know what your talking about

Why would Leung devote so much air time to gay issues and appear to encourage those who were homophobic by not condemning their bigotry. This is what I have been told. If this is not true I stand corrected.
Apparently he has copied the style of right wing shock jocks in the USA who have their producers screen out intelligent, socially conscious callers to predominantly air the comments of bigots and hate mongers.
As more information comes out from Chinese speakers who have listened to the show I'm sure a pattern will develop from which we can draw a conclusive opinion as to Leung's opinions.

Anyone know if same sex marriages are allowed in China or Hong Kong?

...and then what?

After the research to determine the bigotry or non-bigotrfy of Leung...then what?

Jim Green's comments are an insult to the jewish community. no wonder he is trailing in the polls. He does not deserve to be elected.

READING BETWEEN JIM GREEN'S LINES:

"In a way Sean, I regret I said it( IN WHAT PARTICULAR WAY JIM? REGRET BLOWING YOUR OWN HEAD OFF ON RADIO? HUH? REGRET SINKING YOUR OWN CAMPAIGN?). I'm very sensistive about issues around the Jewish community( SO SENSITIVE THAT YOU ATTEMPTED TO USE THE HOLOCOST FOR YOUR OWN POLITICAL GAIN?). And I wasn't comparing homophobia with Hitler's actions against the Jewish people, (NO JIM, WHAT YOU WERE INFERRING WAS THAT ANYONE WITH A DIFFERENT VIEW THAN YOU ON SAME SEX MARRIAGE BE THEY A PRIEST OR RABBI OR A WELL MEANING REGULAR JOE, IS A NAZI, NICE GOING BUDDY-I SEE YOU ARE A REAL MODERATE)I was just saying where do you draw the line on personal opinions. ( HOW ABOUT WE DRAW THE LINE AT COMPARING POLITICAL OPPONENTS TO HITLER, HOW ABOUT THAT?)Do personal opinions effect your right to govern?( DOES RANK STUPIDITY EFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO BE ELECTED?) And the most severe case was this - that I know of.(YOU KNOW FAR TOO LITTLE) I think it was a bit unfortunate actually.(ONLY UNFORTUNATE FOR YOUR ELECTORAL PROSPECTS) I did call some people and talk to them about it. (WHO'D YA CALL JIM? YOUR SPIN DOCTORS, PLEADING WITH THEM TO DIG YOU OUT OF THIS LATEST PILE OF CRAP YOU'VE LANDED IN??)And I'd rather not have it go any further,(YOU'VE GONE FAR ENOUGH, THANKS AND TRUST ME, YOU WON'T GO ANY FURTHER AT ALL) because I don't want to offend anyone with the comment( TOO LATE JIM, YOU'VE OFFENDED EVERYONE)

"It's not for us to say we're going to make it illegal for you to be in love and have a caring relationship with your partner. That's not the kind of Vancouver I want to see. That may be the Vancouver of 100 years ago." - Green

Um, with the exception of ordering a rerouting of the Pride Parade, I don't think Vancouver City council has any jurisdiction over banning gay marriage. But then again, present council also voted against war and the militarization of space, so perhaps JG is afraid an NPA council would pass there own completely hollow and useless political statements... "Therefore.. Council moves that Cuba open its doors to Walmart" or "Council moves that Canada should withdrawl from the Kyoto protocol"

I think the only way to settle this fairly is to have both Green and Leung to debate while wearing drag..

Maria

Good question. I believe if the media is doing it's job then the public will be informed. If Leung turns out to be anti-gay then everybody will know about it and editors and columnists will excoriate him and he will lose. Or, as in the case with Gordon Campbell, the media will underplay it and give him a free ride. The latter seems more likely in this town as Canwest owns all the major print media including the Courier.

I have just been informed that there has been a potentially damaging split among the members of Jim Green's Vision Vancouver party. Anonymous sources claim that two opposing factions have emerged, informally referred to as Vision Lite, consisting of Heather Deal and Heather Harrison, and Vision Classic, consisting of George Chow, Raymond Louie and the Mayoral candidate Mr. Green. Councillor Stevenson is reported to have ties to both factions, depending on the circumstances. The role of a shadowy group known as the Friends of Jim Green For Now remains unclear. The central point on which the two sides disagree is Green's recent characterization of the NPA as "wealthy, homophobic, right-wing bigots from Kerrisdale who don't think Gordon Campbell went far enough". The Vision Lite faction feel the statement was ill-timed and taken out of context, while the Classics feel Campbell (Gordon, not Larry. Although...) could be to blame for practically everything. When asked which faction would be in control of the money raised at Vision'recent fundraising activities Mr. Green replied "You're kidding, right?".

You heard it wrong Steve.

Here's the real deal. The NPA are desperate to shift focus away from their troubles not the least of which is having Ronald Leung as a council candidate.

The NPA supporters must be getting concerned their guy has screwed up so often.

Green will be mayor, he has the experience and the ability to work with folks of all political back grounds. The last NPA mayor got blown out of the water by his own party. Many tried to get a carpet bagger in as their candidate this time, seems the now NPA candidate didn't have the right stuff. She left and now the NPA hacks are telling everyone that their guy is the very acceptable( to them) candidate .

Now another outside the city guy is trying for a council seat. What gives with the NPA? Desire for power again at at any cost.

The man , Councilor Jim Green that the present Mayor, and new Senator Larry, has endorsed will draw a lot of support as well.

The next mayor Jim Green used a poor comparison, he admitted he should not have done so, let's move along.
What's that old biblical statement. Let he who is without fault cast the first stone. One politician many years ago mentioned that if someone puts a microphone up your nose you say strange things. He was premier at the time.

Should the guy from out of town actually end up on council, folks will watch him closely. Time will tell.

For all of you fun loving COPE/NDP/VV mental midgets:

1) Green is done like dinner. What the polling didn't show you is that he is on the way down.

2) Desperate measures abound for VV/COPE as they continue to was worse than the NPA. At least the NPA halted all the drama when they silenced (somewhat) Greg Wilson. Green's comments about Jews are indicative not of his generation (Budd will defend anything) but rather his intemperate and obstreperous nature. He is unfit for the Mayor's Chair.

3) Proof that the polling is showing Jim significantly behind: he gets more desperate about Ronald Leung's position which has been misrepresented, with intent, in this stream. Leung does not beleive in gay marriage. Good for him. If the feds had enough testicular fortitude, and called a referendum: 60/40 AGAINST gay marriage. Some of you must not see past the boundaries of Vancouver or victoria, or Montreal or parts of Toronto. The rest of this country is overwhelmingly against it. That's what Martin's hacks discovered, so they pushed it through in fear, not in favour. Leung's comments on his radio program were always provocative ABOUT EVERYTHING. That's his job. Idiots! Rafe Mair did that for decades, no one says a word, a Conservative Chinese fellow makes that statement and his is vilified.

4) Tolreance is a two way street. Leung did not venture out to slam gays. He respects their right to live in freedom. He just doen't agree with gay marriage. Get the story straight.

5) Green's problems have only just begun. Wait until he opens his mouth to switch feet...coming soon to an NPA press release near you.

His Worship Slammin' Sammy.

Get used to it, commerade assholes.

Once Again, ... I fear you are in rather bad humour today. Perhaps a weekend of generous libations and pulchritudinous entanglements will return our correspondent in the attic of the NPA HQ Annex to his usual sunny disposition!

DL

Don't bet on Vancouverites hearing too much about Ronald Leung. He is one hot potato. First, he's opposed to gay marriage and secondly he doesn't live here. He has the potential to drag the whole slate down.

For those reasons the right wing media will give him a break and steer the focus off him. There is also the "professional courtesy" angle.

I can't believe all the preposterisms I'm hearing about my good buddy Ron. Right after he wins on the 19th of November I'm having him over to the ranch in Crawford fo BBQ with Dick and Karl. That is unless them evildoer grand juryists mess with my plans.

Once again there is joy in mudville..savour it baby..it ain't gonna last

Message to Sam

Three strikes and your're out. As the week closes you are riding on a new wave of optimism that was unthinkable just a few weeks back. It's an illusion. All the crap and dreck you had clinging to your hopes to stay in city hall are still there and a verbal gaffe by Jim Green is not going to change that.

Not to worry...you could always resurface to champion a 5th Pillar: encouraging citizens with money to burn to go out and buy smack and crack for addicts so they don't have to do crime. It would be Shaunessey Day in the DTES back alleys.
Free tricks for toffs...three cheers for Slammin Sammy..Santa Scag..Father Crackmas.

You and Ron could also consider moving to Berlin to become the latest "dog and pony" show in their famous piss bars.

In your wettest of wettest dreams, sleepswithangels. But in reality, Green is trailing, has negative momentum, and is going to lose.

To be fair, it isn't Green as much as his 'organizers.' but hey, if you pay peanuts, you get Monckys. But at least they're Funcky ones.

Sleeps!

Where the hell have you been brother?! I have been engaged in swatting some of your underlings in that they have posted some real nonsense here.

I can't believe you are still on this Jim's gonna win kick. He's done. Your only hope is to get windbag Stevenson in there, otherwise, Louie and maybe Bass, possibly one of the Heather's and that's about it. If Sam has a collapse, my orignial prediction: NPA with three on council. But it just isn't happening. And cut the shit, you know why. Jabba the Hut is no Larry Lunchbucket. And y'all (notice my Surriness!)are finding that out, the hard way.

Hope Dianne kicks Doug's ass in Surrey. Hope that's at least going well for you. In Surrey even the left wingers are reasonable. Bob Bose is another freind--good man. I guess in Vancouver, we're lucky as we get stuck with all the mofo idealogues and wingnuts. Everytime I think of Anne Roberts I just want to vomit. Can't believe your former team even ran her.

You'd be surprised, too, I reveal that the Glenmeister is a friend and that I think he was witchhunted and Budd's already wishing me a good Satyrday! :-)))) Not a bad guy afterall, Budd.

Enjoy. Talk to you Monday. Or maybe I'll have to creep out of my cave (from entrtaining the prince and princess in the new kiddie grotto pool--it's my weekend this week) and check on all of you.

I just hate it when you whip yourselves into Gueveraesque frenzies.....without my balance and measure!

As is frequently the case, Public Eye breaks a story and it get's picked up elsewhere.

Now every single political reporter in the country is aware of Jim Green's monumental screw up.

http://www.warrenkinsella.com/musings.html

That sound you hear is the death rattle coming from Green's campaign.

Good to hear that Sam is ahead in Vancouver.

Let's hope that he and his slate get a majority.

I hestitate to ask for information on this comments section, but what the hell.

What's with this Surrey stuff? Are there two right of centre slates? Or simply just two right of centre mayor candidates? Predictions on the winner?

Also anyone knows what's going on in Coquitlam? Is Kingsbury running again and/or does he have a serious challenger.

I trust the civic minded posters will enlighten me.

Once again..I hope you have a wonderful weekend bouyed by the illusion that Sam and his crew are ahead. All the better when reality sets in.

What we post here does not begin to scratch the collective consciousness of the voters, at least half of them won't show and the rest have pretty much made up their mind already.

Voters will overwhelmingly vote to punish Gordon Campbell and to a lesser extent will want to punish Sam for his extreme right wing connections. They will also look at his almost non existant record of accomplishments. They will remember that he spent his own money to deny Vancouver a wards system which would have benefitted ethnic communities. He'll be punished for that.

Hope you have a fun weekend. I'm having Friends of Plant, Friends of Conspiracy, Friends of Farmers, Friends of Fractious Right Wingers, New World Order, Passion Fruit, The Almost Real Tom Hayden and other assorted Friends of (I can't remember all their names) over for G&T&P to discuss how we can support Sam in his quest to buy drugs for addicts everywhere and to pick our favourite cream pie recipe to deliver (snicker) to Sheila Orr face to face or cheek to cheek as the case may be. We'll also discuss how we can persuade JLH to endorse Ron Leung...such a lovely man..I'm sure no one will spill the beans Ron.

sleepswithangels... helloooo... Parnell......!!!

Why is it you think that Vancouver voters will vote tp punish Gordon Campbell? They didn't in the provincial election when they actually had an opportunity to punish Gordon Campbell. The Funcky crowd only delivered half the ridings in Vancouver.

If you want to know where you're going, look at where you've been. A review of the record of the Vision Vancouver Funcky Crowd:

2002 COPE win. (A first time for everything)
2003 Nils Jensen NDP Leadership LOSS
2004 Wards Vote LOSS (aka pizzagate)
2004 Federal Vancouver Centre LOSS
2004 Federal Vancouver Kingsway LOSS
2005 NDP Nomination Van Kensington LOSS
2005 NDP Nomination Van Hastings LOSS
2005 Vancouver Burrard LOSS (to the despised Mayencourt of all people!)

And this crowd is gonna deliver Jim Green? Yeah, sure.

Sleeps.....sadly even your rhetoric is sounding desperate. Sorry old boy, you can spin it all you want to, but Sam has three major accomplishments that are most relevant to this election: he along with owen pushed for the four Pillars and Jim and Larry have screwed it up royally. Sam is a strong fiscal conservative whose objections to the tax and spend programs of your cohorts have already been noted by manya swinger from Strathcona to sunset to Cedar Cottage to Marpole. And Sam has a comprehensive and cogent policy on the crime ridden streets encouraged by the rabid green, roberts, Louis and Woodsworth.

Jabba the Hut cannot lay claim to any of that. Woodwards: a fiscal boondoggle. False Creek CC: a fiscal boondoggle.

Essentially Sleeps, your team is fighting in the wrong election.

The only things COPE/NDP/VV have amanged to pass in the last three years that are indicative of who they really are and what they really represent: making Vancouver a nuclear free zone (moronic) and opposing the Iraq war.

But hey on that last one, Jim Green is on side with the nutter bastards in the Iranian Administration! Read the front page of yesterday's Sun: Wipe Israel from the map says Iran whackjob president, stop the war and wipe out the Jews.

"Essentially Sleeps, your team is fighting in the wrong election."

HAHAHAHAHA!

Truer words were never spoken. The right election for them to fight would be that of local dog-catcher. But even then, the 'team' might not win.

OA

What Four Pillars are you talking about? Extreme right wing agendas, regaining city hall for the fat cats, discouraging better representation for ethnic minorities by spending his own money to campaign against wards, buying drugs for addicts as his contribution to Four Pillars?

The fact is that Larry and Jim made the Four Pillars a reality. Owen is riding their coat tails on Four Pillars and rest of the world knows it. Owen got way more credit than he deserved and now Sam "I feel their pain" Sullivan is in bed with Republicans and homophobes in a desperate attempt to cling to power.

There are a number of factors which will ultimately get the voters out and none of the most persuasive factors are working in NPA's favour.

If Sam and his team concede defeat now maybe we can arrange for them to share an office downstairs which would allow them to pretend they are somehow relevant.

This is what passes for political debate? My god the mental midgetry is astounding. Take someone's words out of context, then lie, misinform, reframe and repeat ad nauseum. Kinsella in particular is guilty of this. From his blog:

"October 28, 2005 - Jim Green, a big bully who is running for the mayor of Vancouver and is going to lose, is a piece of work. This week, Green actually invoked the Holocaust to make a cheap political point: not merely content to smear an opponent, he actually seemed to suggest that said opponent was analogous to a supporter of Hitler.

As one has written a book or two on this subject, I can say that neo-Nazism, Holocaust denial and related viruses are very real. To use them as clubs to beat an opponent is sick, and the worst kind of politics.

By doing so, Green disqualifies himself from public office. Or should."

How can Kinsella consider himself a serious political commentator when spewing garbage like that? It's pathetic. It the Fox Broadcasting school of "informed" comment. At least the Public Eye provides Green's words with some semblence of context.

What your copy paste job didn't show is that Kinsella linked directly to Sean's context.

Sleeps, whatever your support for Jim may be, your understanding of the four pillars is way out of whack.

Cope got in last election because they framed the election around the NPA and Jennifer Clark having forced out Owen, and voters did not like it. Owen was popular, and Larry Campbell set himself up as pushing on the work of Owen in regards to the four pillars. Sam Sullivan was part of the faction in the NPA that pushed for the four pillars.

Also, remember, the most significant opposer of the four pillars in the last election is running on Vision Vancouver's slate. However the apostle paul has come to an epitomy.

Sam was probably singlehandedly the most important councillor in getting the four pillars approach in place. Don't undermind his social stances which differ substantially from Leungs.

Remember Senator Larry only agreed to run for mayor after it was certain that Owen wouldn't run - in fact the NPA were also trying to get Larry to run - many regular NPA voters switched alligence last time because they felt comfortable with Larry running the show - he appeared moderate etc to the west side voters - such is not the case with Jim Green - much of the west side vote that went to Larry won't go to Jim and a much longer evening of waiting for results to be posted is likely.

Sleeps!

What's come over you! Such desperate vitriol. The tide is turning my freind and it's reality, not fiction.

The spinning you are doing is ridiculous and well beneath you.

Green is certainly not Larry, is Jim is done. Invoking the Holocaust is only part of his problem. Sam's accomplishments are exactly what I said they were above. If you honestly believe that Larry and Jim put the Four Pillars in place, then you need crack therapy. But because I know you, and would do the same as you if I were on the payroll, I'm going to give you a pass on this one.

Of considerable embarassment was the posting from James Burns-himself, who obviously is another kneeJERK anti-American. Pathetic. Learn to work with these people and we will have a better tomorrow. What a unch of radicals. I cannot believe the amount of BS coming from the left pulpit.

Talk about mental midgetry--make up your own lines asshole. you can't even cut and paste properly.

Kinsella was right on the money. Green is irrlevant because he is making himself so.

All the kings horses and all the kings men.....can't put Jabba and Jamie Lee together again!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

You wish...one teeny tiny stumble by Jim and you think it's in the bag...maybe in 2014.

I hope your're not out buying new furniture for the mayor's office or you'll be eating it for Christmas.

Speaking of eating it...my angel is giving me a look.

Way to go, Jim. Vision supposedly wants to appeal to moderates and now, Green goes on the offensive and starts labelling his opponent.

This brand of politics is exactly the excuse that the Vancovuer political moderates will trot out to justify staying home and not voting.

This is the tragic thing about B.C. politics: Who cares about representing the greater apathetic middle when you can call your opponent a liar/homophobe/fascist/communist and attempt to divide and conquer?

If only there were some real moderates who just wanted to govern and weren't consumed with the lust for power.

Screw them all!

well said

Jim's foot snack aside, I don't think that one lapse in judgement over three weeks before the vote is as serious as many would like to think it is. The real, full steam campaign battle is only now shifting out of first gear, lot's of action to come.

The NPA has a major weakness that is yet to be exposed to those who don't make politics their hobby/job.

The 'Non-Partisan' tag has never looked so ridiculous as it does now that right wingers of all types including some real extremists have a grip on the party. All that remains is for local journalists and the COPE and VV campaigns to effectively bring this information to the voter's attention.

This kind of right wing, establishment chokehold used to work in days past but not anymore.
If you want centrist civic governance you sure won't find it in the NPA. While COPE and VV may strive to maintain the power base they acheived in 2002 you have to look at the record of the individuals who are running for those two parties. You will see that they are not wealthy and self absorbed...you will notice that they have worked for decades in the service of Vancouverites, especially the disenfranchised.

They are the best hope this city has to show the world that we have a social consciousness and are not just concerned with wealth and power.

Republican:

"..worked for decades in the service of Vancouverites..."

You have to be kidding!

"Suckled at the public teat" or "greedy-gobbled for decades at the public trough.." would be better descriptions.

Republican:

"..worked for decades in the service of Vancouverites..."

You have to be kidding!

"Suckled at the public teat" or "greedy-gobbled for decades at the public trough.." would be better descriptions.

Not wealthy?

Has there been a year since the NDP was last in power provincially that Green made less than six figures?

How about all the pensions this crowd of multi-dippers have coming to them?

sms

If you ever manage to advance beyond a cretin's understanding of basic economics you will come to understand that 3 years of picking up a low six figure income taxed at source does not even come close to making one wealthy.

Your ignorance with economic realities gels nicely with your ignorance of Green's work in the DTES.

gee great comeback!

tell that to the other 95% that don't make that much!

the only thing he did in the DTES wasself-promotion, and you are clear one of his hacks!

gee great comeback!

tell that to the other 95% that don't make that much!

the only thing he did in the DTES was self-promotion, and you are clearly one of his hacks!

Ha! Lectures on economics from a Lefty!

Love it!

Republican:

So are you denying it?

satanmysaviour or Jamie Lee

What has got you in a tizzy?

Oh right..it's starting to dawn on you that Jim is going to win and you backed Sam who is surrounded by far right wing whack jobs. Now you will always be associated with those far right wing whack jobs...wow..tough break.

You didn't answer my question, AND the only reason I would back Sam Sullivan is that he is likely more fiscally responsible than His (future) Porcine Lordship, Mr. Green.

Yes indeed, pigs snarfing greedily at the public trough DO get me into a tizzy, as it should all decent citizens. If that makes me a right wing whack job, then I'll take it as a compliment.

Tell me, has the Artful Dodger ever had non-governmental employment (and, no, that "bank" con job doesn't count). Wasn't he a Longshoreman (yikes)?

Whoa now Jamie Lee..I'd advise against taking shots at longshoreman. Over 30 years ago in an effort to erase all overt traces of my silver spoon upbringing I too had a longshoremnan's ticket and and the first of many bad boy Harleys to boot. There is no percentage in messing with longshoremen..past or present. We are the ultimate 'rough trade'.
You must be either a scorpio or capricorn as you seem to have trouble letting go of grudges (I know, I'm a dragon/capricorn).
You should try and ease up on Jim..he's about to surpass even Larry C's level of popularity as the new mayor of Vancouver. I'd suggest a magnanimous display of forgiveness on your part. It would go a long way towards boosting your credibility and popularity in the public eye.

And you'll feel a great weight off your shoulders.

Imagine that! A threat from a longshoreman! Who'da thunk it?

Satan's bitch

Did Sam buy some crack for you too honey? And now he's lost your number? Wow..another tough break.

Do you go through life seeing everything as a threat? What's the matter? Has Satan lost your number too?

I'll let your post speak for itself.

I'll let your name speak for itself.

BTW...Sam has made his deal with your saviour and it doesn't seem to be a very good bargain. We'll all know for sure on the 19th.

trick or treat...bone appetit

All Hail the Dark One!

I thought a Leftie like you would appreciate a little irreverance....guess not!

and I thought you might be sharp enough to detect my light hearted rejoinders..guess not.

OK, comrade!

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