Other election plans include mass Vulcan mind melds

This is kind of creepy. It looks like the mind control experts at the British Columbia Federation of Labour are running a workshop called "Talking Points" this Saturday for anyone who wants to "learn how to convince your co-workers, friends, and family to join the movement to defeat Gordon Campbell's Liberal government." According to a message circulated on the Vancouver and District Labour Council's email list, attendees will "come away from this workshop with some new tips and techniques in the art of persuasion." And guess who's responsible for organizing the event? Why it's none other than the federation's favourite regional political coordinator Mable Elmore, who has had some interesting battles with Zionists in the workplace. The following is a complete copy of the email.

"TALKING POLITICS"

a workshop

Learn how to convince your co-workers, friends, and family to join the movement to defeat Gordon Campbell's Liberal government. You'll come away from this workshop with some new tips and techniques in the art of persuasion. You'll have honed your arguments for getting involved in the election and you'll have practiced your debating skills!

DATE: Saturday, January 29, 2005

TIME: 1:00 - 5:00 PM

PLACE: B.C. Federation of Labour, 200 - 5118 Joyce Street, Vancouver (beside the Joyce Skytrain station)

To register please call Mable Elmore at 604-430-1421 or email at melmore@bcfed.com

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Is this Email really so exceptional, or is this just a slow news day? How sinister is it to suggest that one practice the "art of persuasion"? Really, I think there's a tendency on the part of some reporters to regard anything sent to them, be it the old fashioned brown envelope or today's forwarded email, as somthing the public just has to hear about. Even if it's just a list of the members of the office coffee fund.

Step 1 - Sign union card

Step 2 - Go to political rallies your union tells you to

Step 3 - On May 17, 2005 vote for NDP as you have been programmed to do.

NOTE: At no time during the next 3 1/2 months are you to think for yourself. Jim Sinclair will take care of that for you.

If you are approached by someone with something positive to say, immediately launch a personal attack. Do not let the facts on an issue get in the way.

What would you expect from an anti-zionist like Mable Elmore. The BCFED should be embarassed. They once had a reputation of an open, inclusive organization. Now you have to adhere to a strict, anti-semitic, extreme politics to work there. How does Mable make Jewish union members feel? Looks like Sinclair, Mable Elmore and the rest are doing everything they can to hand this election to Campbell

What would you expect from an anti-zionist like Mable Elmore. The BCFED should be embarassed. They once had a reputation of an open, inclusive organization. Now you have to adhere to a strict, anti-semitic, extreme politics to work there. How does Mable make Jewish union members feel? Looks like Sinclair, Mable Elmore and the rest are doing everything they can to hand this election to Campbell

poindexter

1) Obviously, you've never been a in a union.

2) Clearly, you've been watching too much FOX news.

3) Cancel your Bill O'Reilly fan club memberership.


Mmmmmmmm. Anti Semites.

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Dave I have been a union member, and I currently deal with unions almost daily. I know what they are, and have seen first hand what they are all about.

Thanks for comin' out.

The Fed and NDP have their prints over all kinds of dubious outreach programs to identify supporters. Rock the Vote BC and Get Your Vote On are 2 "non-partisan" in name only youth outreach programs managed by a bunch of NDP and COPE wonks. Sean, maybe you can dig a little deeper into who's behind these efforts too?

Thanks for the website. Always interesting.

Ooh, this is almost as sinister as all those "Believe BC" tv ads or all the householders-from-the-Mother-Ship BCers have been getting over the past year. Except this workshop, which may be a waste of money and time, is at least not funded by the taxpayer.

C'mon Sean...you have a great week with the Vippin breakthrough, and then you throw it down the toilet with this piece.

Correction: "Vinning" breakthrough! (Damn...all the different name usage is confusing me.)

Whats wrong, and is anyone surprised that union's will be working to elect the NDP.

Unions believe that the NDP is in the best interest of their membership.

So they say you will learn some tips on how to persuade those around you to vote NDP. What's wrong with that. Where is the news here?

Dateline: Rockpile

Union members being given message box for election.

I am sure you will find the Chambers, Evangelicals and business groups sending out their little cheat sheets.

And if it is some message that matches the Liberals I will die of a heart attack.

LOL

Rick

Question for BTS rules - aren't union dues and donations to political parties a tax credit - therefore it is incorrect for you to say that there is no cost to the taxpayer

Actually, personal donations in the NDP far outweigh personal donations in other party's. As well, unions do donate to campaigns, but a pittance compared to businesses. What's wrong about a seminar to help people learn persuasive speaking skills? Other people *pay* for these classes. Is that what the more capitalistic on this board disapprove of? They aren't gutting the pocketbooks of the working class to put this on? That's probably because the Governments done an excellent job of that already.

Furthermore, Rock the Vote is an American style campaign which, in certain circumstances, proved effective at getting student populations out to vote. Does it matter who gets them out to vote, so long as students' vote?

Hmm, dmb, fair enough point, i guess, though a bit of a stretch, methinx. The union-dues tax credit would happen whether the Fed held its workshop or not (i'm not sure what the attendees were paying for the workshop, and whether they'd be able to collect tax credits on the fee they pay for the workshop). Why bring that up? There are federal tax credits for thousands of things in our tax system...including child tax credits.

I guess my point was more of a direct impact on the BC taxpayer. The millions spent on householders and government-tv advertising seems to be more of a direct hit to the provincial tax payer and can be meant to be just as "persuasive" as a workshop trying to teach persuasion skills...uh, or something like that!

But, whatever...now i'm talking about a "news" piece that i didn't think had enough weight to be considered a news piece in the first place...duh.

Why is anyone surprised that the BC Fed would host a re-programming session? The lemmings must be carefully instructed to follow their leader lest they face the evil perils of independent thought and freedom of individual expression. The lemmings must learn to convert other weak-minded souls into solidarity, lest they also fall into the great abyss that is not the NDP. Hopefully Carole James will attend – or maybe she already has ?

Which is a bigger hit to the taxpayer
1. Spending money that has already been collected.
2. Or not getting revenue because of the use of tax credits, write offs etc.

To me it is the latter as they deny governments of all political stripes with funds that could be use for many purposes.

This may come as a shock, but as a member of the NDP, and a strong union member (2 sins according to some people on this site) I spoke out against the Fed's plan of action. Not because I think its a bad thing, but because it gives the media in this province, as well as the Liberals the opportunity to spin this into BIG LABOUR CONTROLS BCNDP.

I mean its perfectly fine for business groups, corporations, chambers of commerce to be active politically in the view of the mainstream media, but somehow the labour movement should not be, as is portrayed by the boogieman mentality of the various media offerings and pontifications that we've all been subjected to.

I for one will not be at the meeting on Saturday, as I believe that the biggest pursuasion to use is Campbell himself. He sells his own defeat more than any type of pursuasive discussion could.

"The lemmings must be carefully instructed to follow their leader lest they face the evil perils of independent thought and freedom of individual expression."

Funny, how well that fits the Liberal caucus, too.

one word came to my mind while reading the thread and that is, DESPERATE.
THE NDP that is..
as for the post, leftys can,t handle a thread that sheds light on the sad state of there party.
good point kegler,,, as we all no that perception translates into belief,,
and these people want to run the province??
nic

"leftys can,t handle a thread that sheds light on the sad state of there party."

And how, exactly, is that any different for the righties that post here?

The fact that both lefty and righty can post here free of police intimation and censorship is more than can be said for those great lefty states of Cuba, China and N. Korea

Hmm. No comebacks at all to the fact that its perfectly fine for the corporate business class to be politically active, but somehow its not for the labour movement to be so. Just revert back to the old McCarthy era mantras, of calling people communists, because you don't happen to agree with the neo conservative view of the world. In 2001, a majority of BC'ers that voted, voted for a party that preached balanced, fair open and accountable government. And from Day 1 to today, it was nothing more than telling everyone what they wanted to hear, which in turn had NOTHING whatsoever to do with what they had planned.

If anyone would bother to go down to this persuasive organizing conference thing, and report back on how many people actually show up, I would be curious. Then of course, if it was a low turnout, Poindexter and his ilk would be on here saying that "look, there's no support for the NDP and their vision." And if there was a large turnout, the spin would be "The NDP has to engage in telling their followers what to say and how to say it rather than letting the message speak for itself."

Fact is this.... its not the NDP putting this on. Yes its the Fed. And seminars like this one, with their so called stated aims, do absolutely nothing but pin a huge bullseye onto the party. But some people within the movement can't quite see past their noses, and thats a candid honest opinion. And not everyone in the labour movement or the party shares the view that we need to engage in seminars like "persuasive gobbleegook" to help us win the election. Most people that I know don't speak with their mouths, but with their feet. If they think that this is a good thing, the turnout will be high. If they don't... well the turnout will be low.

I would stick to what the labour movement and the NDP know best, organize, organize, organize. The fact that we're sitting here in 2005, talking about the NDP in the upcoming election, speaks volumes about the people's perception of the Campbell government and what they've done to the province over the past 4 years. Who would have thought back in 2001, after being virtually decimated, that in 2005, people would be talking and arguing over whether or not the NDP is capable of winning the next election.

Seminars should stick to basic things during election campaigns, messaging, getting out the vote, organizing etc. Leave the Kreskin stuff for the infomercials.

DMB- Please note that the three "Lefty" states referred to are dictatorships, not unlike the present government of BC.

C. Parkhurst: Comparing BC to the dictatorships of China, Cuba and North Korea trivializes the real suffering that goes on there, especially the suffering of those who are not allowed to speak because they disagree with the existing regime. Lefties and righties, and even those of us who would carve a middle path incorporating the best ideas of all politicos, have the right to disagree and disagree noisily. We should never take that right for granted. And we might try just a little bit to listen to each other. We might learn something.

Sally: You're point about basic freedoms etc in countries like N. Korea, Cuba, and China is well taken. And yes on here, both sides of the equation tend to hyperbolize a bit. In today's society, post 9/11, people are more pliable to give up those freedoms to which our forefathers and beyond fought not only to protect and uphold, but to initially gain, all in the name of security. For an example of this, look at the new Maritime Security Act, that the feds are trying to foist upon waterfront workers.

Not only do they want a background and criminal record check on you, but you're family extending into your in-laws. Should you not submit to this, you lose the right to earn your livelihood on the ports. The Patriot Act down south is another example of people saying, we have to give up our rights to gain security. So slowly but surely, we in North America are sliding towards the conditions as they exist in China, Cuba, and N. Korea.

The new idea in governing politics today is whoever is governing is solely right, and to oppose them (be it Provincial in BC or Federal in the US) is somewhat akin to heresay. All you have to do is look at Bush's inaugural speech. "We're going to spread democracy throughout the world." Or his rhetoric on almost every issue in the global perspective, "you're either with us or with the terrorists."

In BC, the media is starting to really ramp up the Boogieman picture of the opposition. Why's that? Because rather than selling what their own record over the past 4 years (the entire record), the Liberals have to account for massive problems when it comes to integrity. And as there is no answer to the broken promises over a litany of things, ranging from Labour Relations to Transportation, from personal integrity to the increasing restriction of FOI, their supporters in the media and corporate sector (who fund this government) are going to instead try and re fight the election from 4 years ago. And they're going to continue to try to baffle the masses, with cow droppings and spin, rather than talk about and account for why their integrity is shot.

Sally- I am fully aware we don`t live in a "true" dictatorship. Unlike the 3 countries mentioned above, we obtained our "dictatorship" by democratic means- electing 77/79 MLA`s for the Campbell Lieberals. From the very start, however, any that disagreed were referred to as "special interest groups". Let`s not forget that there has been a lot of suffering created by the Campbell Lieberals as well.

Thanks to kegler and C. Parkhurst. You've both given me something to think about.

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